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Wes Mathews or Gordon Hayward

KOC BEGONE said:
If you look at Wes he now has a contract with the Trailblazers. Yet, he continues to reiterate that KOC did not offer him a contract. Now why would he do that. Let's look into other truths that KOC is trying to get us to believe. Korver said that he didn't even receive a call from KOC with a qualifying offer. When the press asked KOC he said that he had lost Korvers #. KOC denied that part of the reason that Sloan left was due to Dwill. Now AK is saying different.
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You're a dummy, Korver wasn't eligible for a qualifying offer.
 
Marcus said:
I have to agree with Pearl and Log regarding Elder's ceiling. That being said, it would have been nice to have kept Matthews.
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Agreed. A rotation of Matthews and Hayward at the 2 with someone else (draft pick? and no, not CJ) at the 3 for our wing rotation would be stellar.
 
Wes Matthews was offered 9.2 mil year one of his contract. So with LT considerations the Jazz would have paid about 12 mil a year more for Wes than Raja year one. People keep using the 5 plus mil a year number which is completely inaccurate. I love Wes and wish he were still here. I don't think he is worth 9 mil year one plus a 12 million dollar hit in LT.
 
franklin said:
Please explain "the Millers' cheapness". Thanks.
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Should be obvious. Will spell out: Millers opted for cheaper Bell. Thanks.

Hantlers said:
The chances of us drafting a SG after signing a 2nd year player to a 35 million dollar deal are pretty slim. In fact, I'd say it's almost certain we don't draft Hayward if we signed Matthews, it just wouldn't make sense. We would've gone after a big man, you never draft to replace somebody you just gave a large contract too.
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The draft comes before the free agent signings. So what you just said doesn't make sense.

gomretat said:
Wes Matthews was offered 9.2 mil year one of his contract. So with LT considerations the Jazz would have paid about 12 mil a year more for Wes than Raja year one. People keep using the 5 plus mil a year number which is completely inaccurate. I love Wes and wish he were still here. I don't think he is worth 9 mil year one plus a 12 million dollar hit in LT.
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Doesn't work that way. Cap hit and actual salary (especially in the case of 'frontloading') are different. Matthews may have actually gotten 9 mil on Year one but his cap hit was still around 5.7 mil, which was the best Portland could sign him for (the MLE as the Blazers didn't have cap space). Thus, Matthews is still owed 'in real life' 26 mil over the last 4 years. But, on the salary cap sheet, the figures are that Matthews gets increases per year over the duration of the contract as long as it totals 35 mil (so 5.7 then 6.1 and so on , topping out at 7.8 in 2014-15). So the luxury tax is computed on a Year 1 figure of 5.7 mil, not 9 mil. So, you're wrong, right?
 
PrinceJL said:
I'm the 1st to remind that we shouldnt expect the Millers to exceed the LT...

Wes $5.77M
Raja $3M
Price $1.38M
Watson $1.23M
Elson $1.15M

Instead of Watson/Price/Elson, we couldve (re)signed Gaines/Jeffers/Augustine/Thompson/or any other summer invites...

either way, this moot & I wouldn't have resigned Wes @ that contract THEN anyways.
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All that this does is make me super emo that Ronnie Price made more than Earl Watson last year. Tears, man.
 
KOC BEGONE said:
If you look at Wes he now has a contract with the Trailblazers. Yet, he continues to reiterate that KOC did not offer him a contract. Now why would he do that. Let's look into other truths that KOC is trying to get us to believe. Korver said that he didn't even receive a call from KOC with a qualifying offer. When the press asked KOC he said that he had lost Korvers #. KOC denied that part of the reason that Sloan left was due to Dwill. Now AK is saying different.
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I'm impressed with your ability to see whatever you want to see.
 
jimmyjazz said:
Should be obvious. Will spell out: Millers opted for cheaper Bell. Thanks.
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It's only obvious to you. The Jazz made a fiscally responsible decision. This isn't a video game, it's an actual business that needs to be profitable. The Jazz have the 5th highest payroll in one of the league's smallest markets. You can argue the money is not well spent but it's hard to argue the Millers were not willing to spend. To say they are cheap is just idiotic.
 
I'm not going to bother reading all of this thread, but let me adopt the anti-Wes stance just for kicks, just to get a rise out of most people here by using their favorite line against them:

Wes is undersized and not athletic enough.
 
NAOS said:
I'm not going to bother reading all of this thread, but let me adopt the anti-Wes stance just for kicks, just to get a rise out of most people here by using their favorite line against them:

Wes is undersized and not athletic enough.
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He also has a weak mid range game.
 
Like I said, the choice was match Wes or sign an oldie, post-injury but cheaper Bell. Sure, Wes isn't perfect but he has a lot of good qualities we all know, which makes him so much better than Bell and that's what matters. Old news but still can't stand all the revisionist history.
 
Wes did a good job last year for us during the playoffs. Could Gordon Hayward be a 20 point a night scorer or did it have more to do with the teams we were playing, his minutes, and his touches. I seem to remember that Wes didn't really need to dominate the ball last year for us to get his points.
 
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