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Wes Mathews or Gordon Hayward

KOC BEGONE said:
Wes did a good job last year for us during the playoffs. Could Gordon Hayward be a 20 point a night scorer or did it have more to do with the teams we were playing, his minutes, and his touches. I seem to remember that Wes didn't really need to dominate the ball last year for us to get his points.
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Wesley, don't call me Wes, averaged 13 PPG on 39% shooting (36% from the 3) in 37 MPG. He did some other things well but did not shoot well.
 
My2Cents said:
Wesley, don't call me Wes, averaged 13 PPG on 39% shooting (36% from the 3) in 37 MPG. He did some other things well but did not shoot well.
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KOC BEGONE said:
Wes did a good job last year for us during the playoffs. Could Gordon Hayward be a 20 point a night scorer or did it have more to do with the teams we were playing, his minutes, and his touches. I seem to remember that Wes didn't really need to dominate the ball last year for us to get his points.
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I would say his performance against the Lakers is going to be somewhat indicative of what he might do in the future. That was hardly a team rolling over. Hayward slapped them around. Jackson's comment after that game was priceless.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I would say his performance against the Lakers is going to be somewhat indicative of what he might do in the future. That was hardly a team rolling over. Hayward slapped them around. Jackson's comment after that game was priceless.
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what was the comment? I don't think I caught that one.
 
royzzz said:
all this talk .. would you trade the Jazz's 2nd pick (#12) for WMatthews and Portland's pick(#21)?
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hell no. You have a chance to get a starter with the 12th pick, and those chances go down considerably at 21. Plus you have to give up a player to make the salaries match (let's say CJ, who, by himself would likely net us a late-first round pick). And, you're doing all of this for a guy that is likely approaching his ceiling and would probably be Hayward's backup.

I'd take Wes back, but only if Portland was interested in Memo's expiring and would send Wes and a pick. Or, via some random three-team swap wherein we send out less than you've proposed.
 
KOC BEGONE said:
Wes did a good job last year for us during the playoffs. Could Gordon Hayward be a 20 point a night scorer or did it have more to do with the teams we were playing, his minutes, and his touches. I seem to remember that Wes didn't really need to dominate the ball last year for us to get his points.
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I am 99% sure you're a parody poster....it's the only explanation.
 
KOC BEGONE Be gone.
Not really.... but really.
Unicorns and Pegasi, although they will make our team better.... will not make our team better.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I would say his performance against the Lakers is going to be somewhat indicative of what he might do in the future. That was hardly a team rolling over. Hayward slapped them around. Jackson's comment after that game was priceless.
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QUOTABLE: "I wish Gordon Hayward would have stayed in college and helped Butler last night instead of kicking our butts tonight. Geez."
-- Lakers coach Phil Jackson on the play of the rookie.
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https://www.nba.com/2011/news/game.recap/04/05/jazz.lakers/

Loved it. As always with Phil I think it was a mind job on his players, basically reminding them that a rookie (who could have still been in college this year) just kicked their asses. Still a great quote.
 
KOC BEGONE said:
Smoking if you don't remember Wes was a key contributor last year from the first game he played. I didn't take him until the last month of the season to have three good games. Wes played great D. So, in comparison who would you rather have?
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Wes Matthews played 4 years of college basketball, Hayward did not.
 
I like Wes, but his ceiling as a pro is Jason Terry. That's not a bad ceiling and his contract, now that the bonus is paid, is very reasonable. But he's a matchup guy you don't want out there every single night for 30 plus. He's a 20 some nights, 25 most nights, 30 plus some nights guy. I'm not as wildly excited about Hayward as others, but the difference between him and Wes is he absolutely can be the type of 2 or 3 that plays 30 plus every night regardless of matchups. A genuine starter for any team, not an opportunistic one on the right team.

I would peg Hayward's ceiling at Granger. I doubt he'll ever be very effective breaking his man down off the dribble, but he can learn to get separation on shot like Granger does. My guess is he turns into something more like Dunleavy. That might sound like an insult, but Dunleavy's 07/08 campaign was what he should have turned into without the injuries, and that would be a heck of a player to have.
 
I suspect the last couple offseasons finally changed the Jazz free-agent philosophy forever. KOC learned that it's not worth the risk of getting nothing for valuable players who's contracts expire. Even role players like Darko are getting ridiculous offers. This is why DWill was traded and why KOC should continue to trade valuable players prior to their contract expiring with the Jazz (unless the KOC considers the Jazz close to a title). Of course, the new CBA could change the free agency process too.
 
Fakers Luck said:
I suspect the last couple offseasons finally changed the Jazz free-agent philosophy forever. KOC learned that it's not worth the risk of getting nothing for valuable players who's contracts expire. Even role players like Darko are getting ridiculous offers. This is why DWill was traded and why KOC should continue to trade valuable players prior to their contract expiring with the Jazz (unless the KOC considers the Jazz close to a title). Of course, the new CBA could change the free agency process too.
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I think EVERY team had a wake up call with "The Decision" and then the subsequent turmoil in New Orleans and Denver. To Chris Paul's defense, he juts shut up and continued to play. Denver and Carmelo let it become a huge distraction. Though we can all point and say the Jazz playerd worse without Deron and Denver actually improved with the assets they got for Carmelo, I think that might be reversed in a few years. Gallinari and Chandler will never be franchise players. Favors MIGHT. And there are 2 additional lottery picks to come.

You're right, though. I think we'll see more trades by small-market teams as their key players are entering contract years, unless the new CBA addresses the issue.
 
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