What is Exum's value?

[fishonjazz]

The prosecution rests our case.

A Bleacher Report article last year showed his defensive rating to be #1 among all rookies including Wiggins and Smart
Top Rookie Defenders
DefRtgOpponent FG%BlocksSteals
Dante Exum98.542.6%0.20.5
Nerlens Noel99.644.3%1.91.8
Marcus Smart103.245.3%0.21.3
Elfrid Payton105.146.6%0.21.5
Andrew Wiggins108.848.8%0.61.1

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[gregbroncs]

The prosecution rests our case.

It's called watching the games. In this case my opinion was based on the play of the team on defense when Exum was in the game.
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Here is a stat, with Exum as the starting PG last year the Jazz were far and away the best defensive team in the league. Without him starting they were one of the worst. Without Exum starting this year the Jazz are middle of the pack on defense.

 

[Goodluckchuck]

A Bleacher Report article last year showed his defensive rating to be #1 among all rookies including Wiggins and Smart
Top Rookie Defenders
DefRtgOpponent FG%BlocksSteals
Dante Exum98.542.6%0.20.5
Nerlens Noel99.644.3%1.91.8
Marcus Smart103.245.3%0.21.3
Elfrid Payton105.146.6%0.21.5
Andrew Wiggins108.848.8%0.61.1

/thread

 

[silesian]

Here is a stat, with Exum as the starting PG last year the Jazz were far and away the best defensive team in the league. Without him starting they were one of the worst. Without Exum starting this year the Jazz are middle of the pack on defense.

While I agree with you on Exum, your argument is problematic since Exum's data is mostly with Gobert starting and most of Burke's is with Kanter starting. This is why DRPM is nice, it corrects for these factors.

 

[gregbroncs]

While I agree with you on Exum, your argument is problematic since Exum's data is mostly with Gobert starting and most of Burke's is with Kanter starting. This is why DRPM is nice, it corrects for these factors.

This is why I find most defensive stats problematic, defense is a team stat. Frank wants to use on court off court stats but still most of Exum's minutes last year were played in the 2nd unit as he only started the last 30 or so games. This also doesn't completely explain the defense for this season not being what it was last season. I can see Exum stay in front of most PG's, I can see him bother Tony Parker and a lot of other PG's, I can see Burke struggle defensively with even back up PG's.

 

[franklin]

It's called watching the games. In this case my opinion was based on the play of the team on defense when Exum was in the game.
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Here is a stat, with Exum as the starting PG last year the Jazz were far and away the best defensive team in the league. Without him starting they were one of the worst. Without Exum starting this year the Jazz are middle of the pack on defense.

This is why I find most defensive stats problematic, defense is a team stat. Frank wants to use on court off court stats but still most of Exum's minutes last year were played in the 2nd unit as he only started the last 30 or so games. This also doesn't completely explain the defense for this season not being what it was last season. I can see Exum stay in front of most PG's, I can see him bother Tony Parker and a lot of other PG's, I can see Burke struggle defensively with even back up PG's.

So you believe in stats or you don't? I'm confused.

 

[b_line]

So you believe in stats or you don't? I'm confused.

He prays to the stat god.

 

[Stifle Tower]

For those counting on Exum to be a quality starter next season, Iook at how Wesley Matthews has played thus far for Dallas. ACL injuries are tough to come back from.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

For those counting on Exum to be a quality starter next season, Iook at how Wesley Matthews has played thus far for Dallas. ACL injuries are tough to come back from.

Common knowledge. I don't think anybody is "counting" on Exum being anything. Just hoping.

 

[JAZZGASM]

For those counting on Exum to be a quality starter next season, Iook at how Wesley Matthews has played thus far for Dallas. ACL injuries are tough to come back from.

Matthews tore his achilles, not his ACL. LOL.

 

[fishonjazz]

Matthews tore his achilles, not his ACL. LOL.

Also, matthews is older than exum iirc

 

[JAZZGASM]

Most young ballers recover from ACL injuries just fine. Baron Davis and Kyle Lowery are good examples as both tore their ACL when they were Exum's age and were fine. My concern is whether he can stay healthy. The play he tore it on was strange. No twisting like you usually see.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

For those counting on Exum to be a quality starter next season, Iook at how Wesley Matthews has played thus far for Dallas. ACL injuries are tough to come back from.

Why are we comparing the older guy who tore his Achilles to the 20 year old who tore his ACL?

 

[tleikheen]

Nine more years of wear and tear(Matthews) on his BB legs and coming back from a "Achilles tear not ACL"makes him look slower . Exum will have had 13 months of rehab since his surgery before pre season starts.With only 29 starts at age 19 in the NBA, Exum doesn't have a lot of heavy NBA minutes on his legs.This is a big difference between Matthews and Exum,most people understand this.

 

[tleikheen]

Common knowledge. I don't think anybody is "counting" on Exum being anything. Just hoping.

Big reason alot of people are counting on Exum picking up where he left off is because they don't see panic coming from the Jazz front office.Even the Jazz beat writers aren't tweeting out red flags and warnings.Until someone comes in here showing pics of a still hobbled Exum or inside info to the contrary,then you think he is progressing along nicely .There's where the hoping follows.

 

[green]

The team defended well with Exum off the floor.

Exum = elite defense is all hype and no substance.

This isn't what DL thinks. I'll say it again: our future is Exum and Gobert in DL's mind. They aren't going anywhere.