Douchebag K
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lolololololol best justification of Trey's abysmal play yet ... "Kobe keeps shooting if he's off .... Trey should just keep shooting too !!!!!"
What PG do you want the jazz to go get?
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lolololololol best justification of Trey's abysmal play yet ... "Kobe keeps shooting if he's off .... Trey should just keep shooting too !!!!!"
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Wish I could net every last one of u for posting in this stupid thread
Stifle Tower
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When was the last time Kobe averaged <39% for the season? Ummm, let's see...try NEVER! Kobe is a career 45% FG shooter. I don't think too many of us are bothered by Trey taking OPEN shots. The point is, half his shots AREN'T open. He dribbles the clock down and has to take a jumper over a defender or he tries to drive to the hoop against multiple defenders. A player with HIGH IQ draws the defenders to him and then passes to an open teammate. I'm sick of seeing Trey try to go up against the trees inside and ignoring open teammates. I don't care if it's freakin' Elijah Millsap behind the arc. Even a wide-open Millsap has a better chance of hitting an outside shot than a contested Burke.
da ThRONe
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It's not a justification of anything. It was an example of a player widely viewed as a high IQ player early in his career doing something similar to what Burke did. I'd agree if I was missing that many shots I'd stop, but I'm not locking myself in a gym for hours taking 1000's of shots either. The point is if he's a starter level player Trey will have to take and make those shots on a regular basis.
da ThRONe
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Again this is your opinion. When I watch the games I see the ball move and make it's way back to Trey after nobody shoots it then Trey is forced to attack and try to get his shot off. Show me a stat that says you're right I'm wrong.
And what you all seem to be forgetting about Trey is he's still a WIP. The idea that this guy has reached his max is just illogical yet it is just assumed around this board. Attacking and taking those shot are more than likely good for his development. Now he knows what he needs to work on to improve finishing at the basket. If I'm a coaching staff and I have a young player and no chance of making the Playoffs. I'd do what Snyder did. Move him to the bench and tell him to be aggressive creating his own offense. That's vaulable experience. Sure it'll lead to 2-22 nights if he's off like Burke has been for two season now. However it'll teach him several things. He should lead with the pass at this level and that it takes a lot of development of skill and body to be able to do things. Maybe these lesson are completely loss on Burke and he's the aimless chucker everybody are so quick to label him. Or maybe it's a teaching moment that Burke has used to be come an all around better pro. You bet against him I'll bet with him. Either way how about we just wait.
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Stifle Tower
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We watch the games and see different things. There may be times the ball comes back to him late. But I've seen way too many times of him taking the clock down so far he has no choice but to drive or pull up and shoot. There aren't stats to prove one of us right or wrong. Any stat we use would show the number of times Trey takes a shot with <5 secs on the shot clock. And then you'd have to review the game film each time to see why he took that shot.
You could look to see - and there was a thread devoted to this - why Hayward was almost non existent in the 1st quarter of many games early in the season. Magically, Gordon started to produce when Trey was demoted.
Doublea
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da ThRONe
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I actually went back a few months ago to watch the 1st ten games from start to finish specifically looking to see if Trey was taking Ill advised. I didn't see him freezing Hayward or anybody out. He shot the ball poorly but I didn't see a guy taking poor shots or just holding on to the ball. My ball stream membership expired before I could get to the other games. However most I watch live and still don't recall Trey just dribbling the clock out then forcing a bad shot.
Doublea
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He's still shooting way too much though.
Sexual Favors
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not reading this thread, so I'll just say Schroeder
I've been saying this. Schroeder would be a GREAT get.
da ThRONe
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Again if you are off I'd agree stop shooting. But the guy has the utmost confidence in himself. Which isn't a terrible trait if he becomes much more accurate. Long story short he has to hit shots. 12-14 shots a game isn't to much at 46%-48% and 37%-39% from 3.
Stifle Tower
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You could say this about SO many players who have played themselves out of the league or are shooting it up in the DLeague wondering why they aren't getting a shot in the NBA.
Bottom line is Trey has SUCKED for two years. You can't deny the percentages. He went from a poor 38%/33% to a miserable <37%/<32%. You can keep saying he's not a finished player and he will improve. Maybe so. We said the same thing after his rookie season - because all rookies struggle. Now some are grasping at straws by citing sources that say the greatest improvement comes between the 2nd and 3rd seasons. Well, I sure hope so.
Can a player shoot much worse? Not likely. Wasn't there a post showing Trey was one of the worst shooters in NBA history last year (for players who had attempted a certain number of shots)? And if he DOES improve his shooting, will it only be up to his rookie season or just slightly above? At a certain point, you have to cut bait. Do we keep making excuses for him after year 3,4,5? DL screwed up. He drafted an undersized chucker who plays slow and is a poor defender. DL liked his "intangibles." But Trey thinks "leadership" is shooting the ball whenever he can. Sorry, but a guy with HIGH BB IQ would realize that a team is better off when he gets the ball to players with much better shooting %'s. Trey took the 2nd most shots on the team last season and outside of Dante and Elijah - both of whom rarely shot - had the WORST shooting percentages on the team for players who averaged >10 mins/per.
The Jazz Wonderbra
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I think we just stick with the group we have. We have point guard by committee at this point. Burke, Hayward dominate the minutes. Cotton and Neto duke it out for sloppy seconds. Why do we need another point? 2 weeks ago everyone was whining about how crowded the point guard spot was.
Gun to my head... I have to have a 5th point on the team then I go combo and bring in Diante Garrett who is athletic, played well with the Jazz, loved being here, and gives us the length/shooting that we just lost with Dante.
Gun to my head...
Gun to my head... I have to have a 5th point on the team then I go combo and bring in Diante Garrett who is athletic, played well with the Jazz, loved being here, and gives us the length/shooting that we just lost with Dante.
Gun to my head...
Doc Cherno
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Meh. Option #9: Keep what we've got and give Burks some burn running things, too.
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karl malone
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Is it even possible to neg yourself?...It's only fair...I will be awaiting my net/neg.
As far as what (if any) PG the Jazz should pursue, it's hard to say as it's all relative to the price in which it would cost. I hope they first explore the trade market as I believe that the FO should use this (unfortunate) opportunity to acquire a PG that is ready to contribute now. Preferably, one who is a willing passer, can hit an open 3, isn't a negative on defense, & is under contract beyond this year. Off the top of my head, George Hill is the first player that comes to mind (although I'm not sure he will be attainable at a reasonable price).
I admittedly haven't looked into the PG or FA market enough to give a definitive answer, but I'm sure that there are other good options out there [which, if there are, I'd imagine the FO will(/is) look(/looking) into them]. Personally, I believe that the FO has enough confidence in Snyder & our current roster that they won't overpay just to acquire an upgrade at the position. If they are unable to find a reasonable deal, I expect them to either take a chance on a FA PG or enter the season with what we currently have, evaluate later on, & adjust from there. Either way, it will be interesting to see how this plays out as it will undoubtedly have a major impact on the outcome of this upcoming season (as well as possibly even the seasons beyond this one).
Doublea
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Because our PG rotation is probably the worst in the NBA right now and it's holding back the rest of our starters.
seattlejazzfan
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Neto is going to surprise people. Unless the Jazz can get somebody without giving up any real assets, just stand pat.