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What type of asset is Hayward?

b_line said:
So by saying that burks should take Hayward's minutes, what exactly did you mean? I mean, you have, as you stated, watched more basketball than all of us, so you should know that a player who plays around 30 minutes a game can't really play that much more. So when you say burks should get Hayward's minutes, do you hunk burks is some kind of superman and can play more minutes than actually exist in a game? I mean, how many triple overtime games have you seen in your huge sample size if basketball games?
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^derp

Gordon Hayward 36.2 min
Alec Burks 27.7 min

I will try and say this really slow.

If.........Alec..............takes.........Gordons.........minutes...........then.............Hayward ..........would............get..........Burks...........minutes. .........Alec.........would.............start............and...........Gordon............would..........come .............off.........the................bench.


If you disagree with that ok. It is however possible for them to switch roles and it's not that hard of a concept to grasp.
 
My problem is that I'm not sure Hayward is worth paying 10 per to come off the bench.
 
heyhey said:
^derp

Gordon Hayward 36.2 min
Alec Burks 27.7 min

I will try and say this really slow.

If.........Alec..............takes.........Gordons.........minutes...........then.............Hayward ..........would............get..........Burks...........minutes. .........Alec.........would.............start............and...........Gordon............would..........come .............off.........the................bench.


If you disagree with that ok. It is however possible for them to switch roles and it's not that hard of a concept to grasp.
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Ok. Whatever.

But there is no way in hell burks should be taking minutes from Hayward when we have a perfectly horrible Richard Jefferson to hold the bench down.
 
b_line said:
Why is he going to come off the bench?
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Argh. He isn't a SF. He is a SG. Burks is a SG.

Finally, my last argument for letting Hayward walk:

This league is trending towards a 2 PG league. Do you want a backup SG that keeps you from getting better? That keeps you from being able to evolve quickly with the league?

I don't see how Hayward improves THIS team. He is a fine player. He just isn't a good fit here.

But, I could be wrong. Looks like I was wrong on Burks.
 
b_line said:
Why is he going to come off the bench?
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Because he isn't a starter for this team.

It's pretty simple. If you want to start Kanter and Favors, then you need to have a SF that can shoot the hell out of the ball. Otherwise, defenders are going to cheat (ex utah jazz under the AK47 regime). If you want to start Hayward at the SG spot, then you're insane because Burks is a superior player at the SG than Hayward. The only other spot is at PG. So bench Trey and play Hayward at the PG spot.

IMO, the jazz would be better off next year rolling with Kanter/lotto pick (Gordon/Randle) and Favors at the 4 and 5. Start the double Bs in the backcourt. Then draft young, Early, or Michigan's sensation at the 3. If Hayward wants to come off the bench and fulfill a. Manu Ginobli like role (6th man and primary ball handler) to initiate our offense when Trey is out, that's fine. Otherwise, he really doesn't have a role on this team since he cannot play with our front court due to his own lack of shooting. Less WOW and raiding the preschools and more 3 pointers. Sorry, but the inability to consistently keep defenses honest really hinders our 2 low post players.

We either get a shooter to replace Hayward or unload one of our bigs. But we can't keep trying to jam the ball down low while Hayward's defender can easily cheat since he doesn't respect Hayward's shot. We've tried this before. It didn't work.
 
b_line said:
Ok. Whatever.

But there is no way in hell burks should be taking minutes from Hayward when we have a perfectly horrible Richard Jefferson to hold the bench down.
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I would have liked to see Hayward start at the three and Burks at the 2.

That being said if I had to choose between them at the 2 I would take Burks.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
The league is not trending toward a 2 PG league at all.......
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If that's true then we need to really consider shelling out at least $40 million for burks. He and Trey are essentially 2 PGs. No one else on this team can create, attack the rim, and get to the line like Alec.

Yet another reason to let Hayward walk.

Let Alec attack, slash, get to the FT line. Let Trey do his thing. our SF cast away in a matrix/Battier/Seattle Rashard Lewis like role while keeping the defense honest.and favors and kanter smash people down low.
 
Hayward and our first pick to move up.

1) Is it even possible/ within the rules?

2) Would any team bite?

example

Hayward/Randle to the Bucks for Wiggins/garbage.
 
I don`t say much here but here it goes. what I see is that Corbin haven't figured out how to utilize the players he has and to put them in position to exceed. just my two cents. so tell me where I`am wrong.
 
The Thriller said:
Gross.

Use $40 million for a real player who actually helps you.

Use the GS pick on mich's Larry bird. Or Young. Or Early.

Let Hayward walk unless he's willing to become the 6th man. He just doesn't shoot well enough or create to warrant a new contract and starter role. Burks should have been given Hayward's minutes.
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My friend you want throw Hayward to dogs like scrap of ripe meat? You are fan who want more losing season yes?
 
Hayward CAN play SF. With the exception of the crappy way he's been used this season, which I believe contributes to his shooting woes, he's shown he has very good 3-pt range.

I don't understand why it has to be one or the other: give Burks 36 mins and give Hayward 36 minutes. That still leaves 24 mins at wing for a third player. What was WRONG this season was playing RJ so much. You CAN have Gordon and Alec playing together; they've closed games a few times. A halfway intelligent coach could sell Alec on coming off the bench for at least another year. Midway through the first, bring Alec in, give Gordo a rest. Then bring Hayward back at SF, where he'd initially be matched up against a backup SF.

Letting Hayward walk is silly. He's a good player having a bad year. His shooting stats WILL recover and, then...if necessary...he can be moved for another player and picks. But simply not matching a contract because it's $1-2M higher than ideal means the Jazz have gotten nothing in return for a lottery pick. Now if that money could net a FA of equal or greater ability, then yes, let him walk. But I don't see that player on the market.
 
Core4 said:
Hayward CAN play SF. With the exception of the crappy way he's been used this season, which I believe contributes to his shooting woes, he's shown he has very good 3-pt range.

I don't understand why it has to be one or the other: give Burks 36 mins and give Hayward 36 minutes. That still leaves 24 mins at wing for a third player. What was WRONG this season was playing RJ so much. You CAN have Gordon and Alec playing together; they've closed games a few times. A halfway intelligent coach could sell Alec on coming off the bench for at least another year. Midway through the first, bring Alec in, give Gordo a rest. Then bring Hayward back at SF, where he'd initially be matched up against a backup SF.

Letting Hayward walk is silly. He's a good player having a bad year. His shooting stats WILL recover and, then...if necessary...he can be moved for another player and picks. But simply not matching a contract because it's $1-2M higher than ideal means the Jazz have gotten nothing in return for a lottery pick. Now if that money could net a FA of equal or greater ability, then yes, let him walk. But I don't see that player on the market.
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The defensive wing combo of Gordo+Alec is ****ing terrible. That + Burke and Enes, who seems to think his arms should be glued to his sides when he defends in space, and you're not ever winning games. If Burks and Gordo are 2 of 3 key wing players on your team, the third had better be a pretty ****ing amazing defender at the 3. Unfortunately, the middling offensive talent of Gordo and Alec also necessitates he be an elite scorer.

This team is poorly constructed currently. I think you need to look to move one of the young bigs (Favors/Kanter) AND one of the young wings (Gordo/Alec). If the Jazz end up signing all these guys for market value or above, they're ****ed.
 
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