What type of asset is Hayward?

[green]

I still feel the same about hayward now as i did at the start of this season.

8 million per would be a steal.
10 million per would be what he should get.
12 million would be overpaying but i wouldnt be too upset if they matched a 12 million. A little upset but not too much.

Anything over 12 million wouod be retarded to match

I'd be leery at 10 million as well.

If my goal next season is to make the playoffs, I pay Hayward 10 million. If my goal is get another high draft pick, I let Hayward walk.

 

[Jazz4ever]

I still feel the same about hayward now as i did at the start of this season.

8 million per would be a steal.
10 million per would be what he should get.
12 million would be overpaying but i wouldnt be too upset if they matched a 12 million. A little upset but not too much.

Anything over 12 million wouod be retarded to match

This. DL has said several times Hayward will be back regardless of ANY offer. But actually think he does balk at a max offer. 12 million would easily be matched. The only way its not is if we get Wiggins. Case closed.

 

[cowhide]

If DL has no plans of keeping Hayward then he has made an error in judgment not trading Gordon away during the season.

This.

 

[cowhide]

First of all, the exact same was said in 04. I was on this board when folks admitted that AK47 wasn't that great but said that there just wasn't anybody as good/as young. That was a huge mistake.

Where did Wes Matthews come from? Where did Paul Millsap come from? Where did Paul George come from?

There are plenty of good SF/SGs to be had. We could draft in the mid first round and find a player better than Hayward. The boy from Michigan and the Young from UK for starters. I think Early could be in that discussion as well.

The point is, Hayward is extremely replaceable. SVG's comments were a great barometer for Hayward's value no matter what the Hayward homers on this board think. Of course, there will always be some retarded franchise out there willing to shell out too much money for his services. I just hope that franchise isn't us.

Finally, draft picks are gold. You can't just trade Hayward away for a 1st rounder. And, Hayward's game no longer fits this team. We have 2 low post bigs. We need to surround them with shooters. If we want to keep Hayward then we need to unload either Favors or kanter. That's the truth. Burks you keep, he is the 1 player on this team who can create, score, and get to the line. Sorry Hayward homers, your boy doesn't do that

Cry me a river, bash me, flame me, just as you did 10 years ago ago. I've seen more Bball that you've dreamed and know a thing or two about this sport.

I wouldn't pay Hayward more than 8 million a year. I agree he is expendable and replaceable. I thought the Jazz should have traded him once he declined the offer. They probably could have gotten a higher pick for him. I would trade Hayward for Avery and one of Boston's 1st round picks. Avery has developed a nice outside shot and he is a very good defender. I think Avery is going to get around $5-6 million a year. The only problem with Avery is he plays the same position as Burks but there are still plenty of minutes for him. I just hope the Jazz don't overpay for Hayward. I think $10 million is too much but if an offer of $12 million comes in I would just laugh and say nice knowing you Gordon.

I am ready for Burke to run the show instead of Hayward being the point forward. Personally I believe that is a major reason why he has struggle.

 

[cowhide]

This. DL has said several times Hayward will be back regardless of ANY offer. But actually think he does balk at a max offer. 12 million would easily be matched. The only way its not is if we get Wiggins. Case closed.

I will be shocked if he gets a $12 million contract and very PISSED if the Jazz match. Seriously, you have to be pretty dumb GM to think that you can't replace Gordon for less than 12 million.

 

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If DL has no plans of keeping Hayward then he has made an error in judgment not trading Gordon away during the season.

This.

So, if you were DL, you would have jumped into the same fray that saw Evan Turner get dealt for a second-round pick? Firesales have a way of ****ing things up.

 

[Stifle Tower]

It would make sense for a team to trade for Hayward if they were high enough on him. The Jazz always can match any offer. That team would likely already agree in terms with Gordon about a deal.

Yes. And once an offer is made and matched, he cannot be dealt to that same team. So unless the team is ABSOLUTELY certain Utah would not match - and that likely means vastly overpaying since there really isn't a poison pill a team could put in (like Houston did with Lin), a trade is really the only option.

 

[b_line]

Gross.

Use $40 million for a real player who actually helps you.

Use the GS pick on mich's Larry bird. Or Young. Or Early.

Let Hayward walk unless he's willing to become the 6th man. He just doesn't shoot well enough or create to warrant a new contract and starter role. Burks should have been given Hayward's minutes.

So.... Burks should have played like 60 minutes per game?

 

[green]

I will be shocked if he gets a $12 million contract and very PISSED if the Jazz match. Seriously, you have to be pretty dumb GM to think that you can't replace Gordon for less than 12 million.

If the Jazz bring Hayward back for 12 per, then Lindsay probably isn't as smart as we are all hoping.

 

[green]

Yes. And once an offer is made and matched, he cannot be dealt to that same team. So unless the team is ABSOLUTELY certain Utah would not match - and that likely means vastly overpaying since there really isn't a poison pill a team could put in (like Houston did with Lin), a trade is really the only option.

This is an interesting caveat. So, if you are Boston, and you know that you could get Hayward to resign at 10 per, you have every bit of motivation to get a trade done. Because the only other way to get him is to give out an awful deal, and hope Utah doesn't match, when they can.

Interesting.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I still feel the same about hayward now as i did at the start of this season.

8 million per would be a steal.
10 million per would be what he should get.
12 million would be overpaying but i wouldnt be too upset if they matched a 12 million. A little upset but not too much.

Anything over 12 million wouod be retarded to match

This is quite in-line with how I feel, actually.

 

[Sexual Favors]

I still feel the same about hayward now as i did at the start of this season.

8 million per would be a steal.
10 million per would be what he should get.
12 million would be overpaying but i wouldnt be too upset if they matched a 12 million. A little upset but not too much.

Anything over 12 million wouod be retarded to match

Yup yup.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I think the Jazz will keep Hayward and move him to SF assuming they can put more talent around him. He's at least a Danilo Gallinari-caliber player. It would take a pretty sweet offer for the Jazz to move him, imo.

 

[da ThRONe]

So, if you were DL, you would have jumped into the same fray that saw Evan Turner get dealt for a second-round pick? Firesales have a way of ****ing things up.

Fire sell? One player?

Take Boston for example if Ainge really think this class is weak and they really love Hayward they may have been interested in a trade involving their pick. Having Gordon as a RFA would have given Lindsey leverage as he could always keep Gordon.

IMO trading a player before they hit RFA gives the team trading the player more leverage.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I'm guessing Hayward gets 4 years and $49 mil.

 

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Fire sell? One player?

Take Boston for example if Ainge really think this class is weak and they really love Hayward they may have been interested in a trade involving their pick. Having Gordon as a RFA would have given Lindsey leverage as he could always keep Gordon.

IMO trading a player before they hit RFA gives the team trading the player more leverage.

I'm 100% sure that every GM in the league knew that Philly was gonna sell off everything but the cheesesteak. That effectively hammered the in-season tradability for a guy like Gordon. Who would buy Gordon for $50 when they can get Turner for $5?

 

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When I think about Hayward with any amount of clarity in my head, I realize how much a team like San Antonio would love to have him. That makes me like Hayward for $10million/yr.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Can we really move him though? I'm not sure what the rules are with RFA. He is a lot less valuable as a RFA, because teams know they can just wait and grab him. Can you move him and the GSW pick for a lottery pick?

Or would we have to wait until FA begins?

He's not officially a FA till the first of July, which is after the draft I believe, so you should be able to use him for trades.

Why would anyone trade for him? If they really wanted him couldn't they just sign him?

If more than one team wants him, for example we've all heard in the past that both Boston and Phenix like him a lot... If Phenix is worried Hayward wants to play for Stevens again, Phenix might think that trading for him is the only way they can sign him. If Boston hears the rumors of this they might be enticed to try to deal for him to keep Phenix from getting him.

This is why they may not leave it to chance that they can just wait and sign him in Freeagency.

 

[Ellipse]

I still feel the same about hayward now as i did at the start of this season.

8 million per would be a steal.
10 million per would be what he should get.
12 million would be overpaying but i wouldnt be too upset if they matched a 12 million. A little upset but not too much.

Anything over 12 million wouod be retarded to match

Last summer I was good with Hayward getting $10 million, ok with him getting $11 million, but thought $12 million was too much for his talent. But after the way he performed this season, I'm thinking we should walk away from any offer over $10 million.

 

[green]

When I think about Hayward with any amount of clarity in my head, I realize how much a team like San Antonio would love to have him. That makes me like Hayward for $10million/yr.

I disagree. We are in a completely different set of circumstances than San Antonio. San Antonio is trying to win a title now. We are trying to lose. If San Antonio wants Hayward for 11 per because he can increase their wins by 5 games, fantastic. By the same token, if we are going to "tank" again next year, wouldn't Hayward at 11 per, +5 wins really hurt the Jazz?