What weaknesses do the Jazz have?
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Most of the things that come to mind have already been said. I'll bring up something that Borat mentioned in one of the other threads (possibly the Foye one?). The Jazz now have a case of quantity over quality in terms of having a lot of good players but not enough very good-great players. That goes hand-in-hand with the youth factor though, and I think the Jazz will have several great players just a few years from now. I don't agree with the rest of what Borat was saying in that post because he was still being mad about the D Will trade, but I thought the quantity over quality point was valid.
Gyp Rosetti
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Yep. I wonder if someone like Boston would ever bite on Mo, Marvin and Al for Rondo. Would you do that? I know I would.
Edit: Yes, I realize salaries don't even close to come within CBA guidelines.
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underKANTER
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we are one of the deepest teams in the league and our second unit has a chance to dominate... btw, watson and jefferson or millsap have to go... there are too many talented players to distribute minutes.
underKANTER
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pg-williams(30)-tinsley(10)-foye(8)
sg-hayward(18)-burks(22)-foye(8)
sf-williams(26)-hayward(8)-evans(8)-millsap(6)
pf-millsap(22)-favors(26)
c-jefferson(30)-kanter(18)
we have to get rid of watson, sign millsap to an extension and try to trade jefferson for a stretch four (that can shoot the ball from three point line as well) and who can play the three, too.
sg-hayward(18)-burks(22)-foye(8)
sf-williams(26)-hayward(8)-evans(8)-millsap(6)
pf-millsap(22)-favors(26)
c-jefferson(30)-kanter(18)
we have to get rid of watson, sign millsap to an extension and try to trade jefferson for a stretch four (that can shoot the ball from three point line as well) and who can play the three, too.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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This is it for me, though I think Mo can help with this.
Gyp Rosetti
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Playing Millsap 28 minutes, Marvin and Hayward and Favors 26 apiece, but then Mo and Fat Al 30 makes no sense and isn't happening.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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at some point both need to be gone. Don't care when but at some point in the next 1 to 3 years Kanter needs a chance to take the job.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I will say if Millsap excepts a 6th man roll and doesn't expect too much $ then we should extend him
Both? I hope not. You need more than 2 bigs...as you mentioned in your second post I hope Millsap embraces the 6th man role and stays on Utah his entire career.
Stifle Tower
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Memphis had a similar problem back in 2003-04. They had one great player (Pau), but he wasn't looked upon as a "franchise" player. They rode that roster to a 52-30 record (and 45-37 the following season). While I agree it would serve the Jazz well to get a "superstar," I have yet to hear of a way that one can be obtained. Superstars on the move FORCE trades or choose their destinations via free agency. I have yet to hear any star tell his team to "trade me to Utah" or "the Jazz are on my short list."
And if we can't get one, we sure as hell ain't getting multiple stars to form our own "Big-3" model. The ONLY way Utah has a shot at contending is to become the Detroit Pistons of 2004: Rip, Billups, Rasheed, Ben Wallace, Prince with subs Okur, Williamson, Atkins and Mike James. That's a deep 9 but no one I'd consider a "superstar" - perhaps Rip is the closest. Will that kind of model overcome the Heat, Spurs, Lakers or Thunder. I don't know.
Jazz depth is certainly there. And the starting five isn't that far off if Favors and Hayward can step up their games a notch. KOC has a chance to add 1-2 more pieces to the existing core via the draft (two likely first rounders - package and move up?) and some salary space to get a very good FA. I think our best shot will be in 2-3 years. Nash will be gone and Kobe on the decline. Duncan, Manu and Parker will all be receiving AARP benefits, and DWade, Lebron and Bosh will all be up for contract renewals. OKC will stll be a force...if they can keep everyone together. It will be an interesting time once the new luxury tax rules go into effect.
Uhh, Millsap and Jefferson have great midrange games.
The weakness is lack of stars.
underKANTER
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we are an average or slightly an above average team, that's my concern. we need a real leader (maybe it's going to be mo will) and we are stuck with role players... no real stars and leaders, imo. but one of the best young talents in the league and arguably the best and deepest bench in the league. one of the teams with the most potential in the nba.
Stifle Tower
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1. I wouldn't call 36-30 average.
2. If you look at the replacements, I think you'll agree Marvin > Howard, Foye > Raja and Mo Willams is at least = Harris (although I think he's > Harris).
3. With a young team, everyone should be at least as good as last season. And some should be much better. The only chance of decline is with Watson and Tinsley. And if that happens, no big deal; Foye or Burks steps in.
Barring major injuries, I guarantee you the Jazz will win at least 45 games next season. Personally, I think it's going to be around 50.
Chad Feldheimer
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It's a superstar league. Who's that guy on the Jazz?
larryselbows
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Stifle Tower
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Indiana finished 3rd in the East. Is Granger a "Superstar?" Scores a lot on volume, but shot <40%. I'd call him an all-star, but not a superstar. How about Memphis, 4th in the West? Randolph is a former all-star. Gay? Way over-priced. Again, a very good player, but not a superstar.
Jazz don't have a superstar yet. But I'm not claiming they'll be contenders this season. Either Favors needs to step up and be that guy, or the team, collectively, has to be the 2004 Detroit Pistons.
billyshelby
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Offensively, we now have very few players who can drive, most notably our PG. I'm very curious to see what Ty does with this. The hope is more PnR, but I'm not too sure what the value in having more shooters is if nobody can drive to the hoop.
Defensively, we were pretty middle of the pack in creating turnovers. Not sure how we improve there, but it would certainly be nice if we had at least one guy on the perimeter who was a threat to pick off a pass. As down as I have been on acquiring Iggy (contract), he could really help us.
Defensively, we were pretty middle of the pack in creating turnovers. Not sure how we improve there, but it would certainly be nice if we had at least one guy on the perimeter who was a threat to pick off a pass. As down as I have been on acquiring Iggy (contract), he could really help us.