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What's your explanation for early OKC success?

Why does Kanter look great in OKC

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tonstermits said:
Do you value team chemistry? Do you value wins? Do you value defense? Watch the games not the box score.
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First I would never have traded Kanter for what OKC offered. I would have kept him and in the off season I would have either re-signed him or let him sign the one year tender.

You give me fact supporting your theory that Kanter was bad for team chemistry. By all accounts his teammates liked him. People theorize that he was a bad teammate to justify the bad trade.

Yes I value wins. We would get better as the team gets older and grows together. If we could get a decent point, our wins would sky rocket.

Kanter's defense while not great was improving. Do you get rid of Gobert because he has bad hands and can only dunk. No you work with the guy. By the way Gobert is 22 as well.

I have watched almost every game Kanter ever played for the Jazz because I watch every Jazz game I can.
 
oldtimer said:
No, I will not move one when people like you call him and cancer and malcontent. He wanted to play more for the Jazz and that makes him a bad guy? He requested a trade to a team that valued him more. I do not blame him at all. If people stop bashing him, people that liked him will not feel the need to defend him and then we "Can just move on."
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Again, this thread was started by a KANTER FAN. Not a hater. So your point is flat out wrong.
 
oldtimer said:
No, I will not move one when people like you call him and cancer and malcontent. He wanted to play more for the Jazz and that makes him a bad guy? He requested a trade to a team that valued him more. I do not blame him at all. If people stop bashing him, people that liked him will not feel the need to defend him and then we "Can just move on."
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Ok then just be mad. LOL
 
stitches said:
Lol, gotta love out of context assessments. The Jazz didn't trade happy-go-lucky Enes Kanter under contract. The Jazz traded disgruntled, annoyed player who wanted out and whose contract was expiring and who we were going to have to pay 8 figures in the summer. Now if you ignore the fact that he was going to be a pain in the butt to deal with as a 3d big, if you ignore that we had to pay 8 figures for a third big, if you ignore that he was refusing to pass and his defense was less than stelar, then yah... sure... Utah screwed up in this trade. The choice wasn't that though...

The choice was:
1. Trade Enes for what we got
2. Lose him for nothing in 3 months if he gets an offer we don't want to match
3. Match an offer(most probably 8 figure one) for our third big, who made it clear he didn't like his "inconsistent minutes"(a brief check shows that they were not more inconsistent than any of our bigs' minutes), who wanted more minutes and he wants out. How would have Enes reacted when he got benched, I wonder?

So yah... pick your poison. None of those options is great and the trade in a vacuum is pretty bad return, but when you actually take context into consideration I think we did alright in it and this was probably the best option.
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Valid points all. I pick option 3. I liked Kanter and I thought he was a good player. I would never have traded him for nothing. I would have said to Kanter we aren't trading you unless we get equal value. We haven't so we are keeping you. In the off season Kanter would go looking for max money. He would not have gotten it. When reality finally sunk in that he is not the best player in a generation, his agent would have to look to accept a four year 10 million per or sign the one year tender. Both give the Jazz more time to find equal value if they decided not to keep him.
 
Fishsticks said:
Ok then just be mad. LOL
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I am angry about the trade no doubt. I will always be angry about this trade because I think it was terrible and it really set the Jazz rebuild back. The only comfort I get is watching the Jazz and Rudy Gobert play really well.

What can I say I'm old and angry
 
oldtimer said:
Valid points all. I pick option 3. I liked Kanter and I thought he was a good player. I would never have traded him for nothing. I would have said to Kanter we aren't trading you unless we get equal value. We haven't so we are keeping you. In the off season Kanter would go looking for max money. He would not have gotten it. When reality finally sunk in that he is not the best player in a generation, his agent would have to look to accept a four year 10 million per or sign the one year tender. Both give the Jazz more time to find equal value if they decided not to keep him.
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If they did not trade him now they would get nothing. If he signs the tender he has 0 value to the Jazz. If he gets an 8 figure deal in the off season he is gone and has 0 value to the Jazz. Not only that but you have to deal with a disgruntled player for the rest of this season and maybe next. He was obviously disgruntled because he wanted to be traded. Also he was about to lose his starting spot. He was being outplayed by Gobert and the whole team knew it. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he was told he was going to the bench and that is why he wanted a trade. Or he just saw the writing on the wall.
 
oldtimer said:
I am angry about the trade no doubt. I will always be angry about this trade because I think it was terrible and it really set the Jazz rebuild back. The only comfort I get is watching the Jazz and Rudy Gobert play really well.

What can I say I'm old and angry
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Addition by subtraction. Just sit back, watch, enjoy...and you'll see.
Good trade and if anything, it furthers the progress of this team.
 
gregbroncs said:
I said the thread not the post was made by a troll. I said this to refute your claim that if the haters would stop complaining the Kanter posts would go away. So I did not call you a troll. I just think you are wrong.
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Sorry Gregbroncs, I thought you were calling me a troll and I took offense. I love the Jazz and even when they do things that I hate and strongly disagree with I am still a fan and always will be.
 
“@KOCOKeating: Enes Kanter, leaving the building, just shook the hand of every single arena worker on his way out.” Match made in heaven?
 
oldtimer said:
Valid points all. I pick option 3. I liked Kanter and I thought he was a good player. I would never have traded him for nothing. I would have said to Kanter we aren't trading you unless we get equal value. We haven't so we are keeping you. In the off season Kanter would go looking for max money. He would not have gotten it. When reality finally sunk in that he is not the best player in a generation, his agent would have to look to accept a four year 10 million per or sign the one year tender. Both give the Jazz more time to find equal value if they decided not to keep him.
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I liked his offensive game too. He's a talent with rare combination and versatility of offensive skills. I truly believe he will be a 20/10 player at some point in his career. I just didn't really like the match for what our coach is trying to do. Pretty much everything the system relies on, he's bad at - quick reads and decisions, passing, ball movement... His fit with the OKC is great and their system is much more simple and suits his skillset.

I just don't think that he would have accepted what seemed like a bench role on our roster in the long term. And if he was unhappy with 28MPG as a starter, imagine how he would have taken 22 minutes off the bench... The thing with those big offers RFAs get in free agency is that the teams that offer them try to poison the offers with horrible things like player options, like trade kickers, like front-loading, etc. So the contract becomes even more untradeable, unless he has a monster jump(in which case you won't really want to trade him). 12M becomes 14M, 16M becomes 18.5M... So to me matching the offer makes sense only if you really want him long-term... and doesn't make much sense if you want to sign him in order to trade later.
 
oldtimer said:
Sorry Gregbroncs, I thought you were calling me a troll and I took offense. I love the Jazz and even when they do things that I hate and strongly disagree with I am still a fan and always will be.
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No problem. It happens. I have no problem with you. We disagree here it happens.
 
oldtimer said:
First I would never have traded Kanter for what OKC offered. I would have kept him and in the off season I would have either re-signed him or let him sign the one year tender.

You give me fact supporting your theory that Kanter was bad for team chemistry. By all accounts his teammates liked him. People theorize that he was a bad teammate to justify the bad trade.

Yes I value wins. We would get better as the team gets older and grows together. If we could get a decent point, our wins would sky rocket.

Kanter's defense while not great was improving. Do you get rid of Gobert because he has bad hands and can only dunk. No you work with the guy. By the way Gobert is 22 as well.

I have watched almost every game Kanter ever played for the Jazz because I watch every Jazz game I can.
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And that my friend makes your point null n void.
 
Fishsticks said:
I don't think anyone is ok with the value we received, but it is what it is. you can cry about it all you want.
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I have defended the trade. I think they did well for the situation they were in. But yes the value seems low straight up, it's what happens when the rest of the league knows you really need to unload a malcontent. I think the gain made in not having to deal with him and the chance that him staying would frustrate Gobert made the trade worth it.
 
Kanter could not started better for OKC... His first two games after All-Star Break...

15 Points, 12.5 Rebounds, 2.5 Assits, 6FTA, 22 Plus/Minus... in 30 minutes per game.

If he can keep up he will be a starting center for a contender :(
 
CAKAR said:
Kanter could not started better for OKC... His first two games after All-Star Break...

15 Points, 12.5 Rebounds, 2.5 Assits, 6FTA, 22 Plus/Minus...

If he can keep up he will be a starting center for a contender :(
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Ok...Thanks for sharing.
 
CAKAR said:
Kanter could not started better for OKC... His first two games after All-Star Break...

15 Points, 12.5 Rebounds, 2.5 Assits, 6FTA, 22 Plus/Minus... in 30 minutes per game.

If he can keep up he will be a starting center for a contender :(
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This has nothing to do with your post.

Are you really quoting yourself in your signature?
 
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