When Will We Contend?

[cowhide]

I don't mind being patient with the Jazz organization as long as I don't have to wait. But, seriously folks, how long will it be until the Jazz are contenders in the NBA. I know the Jazz have been trying to get flexibility in the salary cap for free agents, but I don't see much potential in available free agents. I don't see a big trade bringing a star here and I don't see a draft pick turning things around instantly.

Well I hope you can be patient for a few years, Jazz fans are kinda of spoiled. Whatever time it takes as long as I feel they are just happy where they are, I am willing to wait because just making the playoffs gets old. It all depends how smart the organization is with finding the right coach, keeping the right players and how they manage their fiances compared to other teams. They need their players to continue to improve, they need luck in the lottery and they need a few of their young players to become better than people have anticipated. I know this is a lot of IFs.

However, the most important thing is the franchise has to develop the attitude that nothing but a championship is the only goal. I think if the Jazz get one of the top 3 players in this draft, retain the majority of their players, get a defensive/head coach and sign an important FA then next year they will battle for a playoff position. In three years they could be legitimate contenders.

This may be overly optimistic and a lot has to happen including a little luck but I can't see any reason why the Jazz can't be contenders sooner rather than later.

 

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How much faith do we each have in the INTERNAL DEVELOPMENT of players currently on the roster?

 

[Stoked]

This is what scares me. Think how long some teams go on losing season after season. I don't know if this market will support a perennial loser. Look at how many green seats are at the games this year.

Jazz are averaging 17,946. 14th in the league. Ahead of teams like the Nets, Pacers, Grizzlies, Suns and Magic (winning and decent market teams). Not to mention that they are supported by a wide, and growing, net of other businesses. The jazz are never leaving Utah.

If the Jazz get a good draft pick new coach and get some work done in free agency they will be back up to 19k next year. I see the Jazz leaving Utah argument as unfounded.

 

[Stoked]

How much faith do we each have in the INTERNAL DEVELOPMENT of players currently on the roster?

46.8%

 

[fishonjazz]

How much faith do we each have in the INTERNAL DEVELOPMENT of players currently on the roster?

A decent amount. Burks should continue to improve quite a bit (22 years old), kanter should improve alot (21 years old), trey should improve a bunch (20 or 21 years old), I think favors offense will continue to grow, hayward will be better once his contract is behind him and he is in a better role on the team.
Gobert should get alot better too

 

[Nate505]

If things break right, especially in the next two drafts, and the jazz get a better coach, my guess would be 4 seasons so until they are a legit contender

 

[Stifle Tower]

Here is my issue with that: What is the goal of this team? Is it to win a title? Or make the playoffs? Either way, they have screwed themselves over. If it is to win a title, then they need to sit players and lose, because the only shot Utah has at a title is to get Parker/Wiggins and hope they turn out better then Durrant.

If it's to make the playoffs and "contend" then they were stupid, because they could have done that this year with a few tweaks to the current roster.

Either way, the Jazz look like they might be stuck in Minnesota/Milwaukee/Sacramento land...too good to actually get good, and too sucky to be good.

1. The goal was to rebuild. Re-signing Millsap, Carroll, Foye and a PG like Mo was NOT good enough to contend. Utah would have barely made the playoffs and then drafted in the late teens. Had that type of team last season and barely missed the playoffs. That's the real definition of "too good to actually get good."

2. Never had a chance at Parker/Wiggins, at least not record-wise. To suggest the Jazz actually sit healthy players is ridiculous. And then what, we complain because the core5 aren't getting playing time and sitting them is delaying their development?

• Milwaukee had a terrible roster to begin with, and then the Sanders situation sealed their fate as a bottom-2 team.
• Philadelphia traded away their best players. Should Lindsey have sold Favors, Hayward, Kanter and Burks for 2nd round picks?
• Orlando has a very weak roster.
• Boston was set up to fail. Compare their top-5 vs Utah. Rondo is better, of course, but only 19 games played. Hayward/Burks vs. Green/Bradley; Bass/Sullinger vs. Favors/Kanter. Not even close.
• Lakers have been devastated by injuries

I'm frankly surprised Utah is in the race for the 4-7 pick. Credit that to a tough schedule, opportune injuries to Burke and Favors and a horrible year for Hayward. That Utah is apparently going to get even a top-10 pick is cause for celebration. Had all the core5 had solid years, Jazz might be looking at a .500 season and a 13-14 pick.

 

[silesian]

Superstar obsession

Seeing how in order to contend you have to have LeBron or Duncan, and possibly Durant, not any time soon.

Hope you are not serious...

Do you believe any of these teams were contenders? 2011 mavs. 2010 celtics 2009 magic. 2013 pacers. 2003 nets. 2004 pistons? Also spurs are not today a superstar driven team. They play defense and team ball.

 

[gregbroncs]

I believe/hope this is the trajectory of the Jazz
year 1 next year. Improved bench with a couple more young pieces. Push for and contend for the 8th spot. I doubt they get there but it would be nice to have a shot
.
year 2. Improvement of the 2 guys we pick this year and solidly in the playoff picture. Probably a 6-8 range and a team with some depth
.
year 3. Solid playoff team competing for home court in the 1st round and a solid shot at the 2nd round.
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year 4. A contender, chance at the WCF. This is enough time for the development of our picks this year and to tweak the roster keeping the pieces that worked and filling in the spaces around them.
.
After that I hope for a chance at a championship with further tweaks. But getting that takes a lot of luck and talent and is really hard for a small market team.

 

[fishonjazz]

I believe/hope this is the trajectory of the Jazz
year 1 next year. Improved bench with a couple more young pieces. Push for and contend for the 8th spot. I doubt they get there but it would be nice to have a shot
.
year 2. Improvement of the 2 guys we pick this year and solidly in the playoff picture. Probably a 6-8 range and a team with some depth
.
year 3. Solid playoff team competing for home court in the 1st round and a solid shot at the 2nd round.
.
year 4. A contender, chance at the WCF. This is enough time for the development of our picks this year and to tweak the roster keeping the pieces that worked and filling in the spaces around them.
.
After that I hope for a chance at a championship with further tweaks. But getting that takes a lot of luck and talent and is really hard for a small market team.

I agree

 

[Getting Traded]

What is discouraging to me is that the Core4 have not lived up to expectations. How much this is due to mishandling is hard to say because Corbin is such a horrible coach. I don't know how a franchise could allow someone like him to continue for so long. I can understand giving him one year after Jerry left but after that it was evident he just did not have what it takes to be a head coach in the NBA, at least not at this juncture. But this has been ridiculous.

Favors has been so inconsistent, as has Hayward. Kanter and Burks have not been used well, and though they finally are getting some opportunities this year, it is not enough. When the Jazz get a decent coach, will these guys play up to their potential, or maybe they just aren't that good and it has nothing to do with Corbin. We really won't know until we get another coach.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If:
1) The Jazz get lucky in the lottery
2) Ownership lets management manage.

 

[green]

Hope you are not serious...

Do you believe any of these teams were contenders? 2011 mavs. 2010 celtics 2009 magic. 2013 pacers. 2003 nets. 2004 pistons? Also spurs are not today a superstar driven team. They play defense and team ball.

Two of those teams that you listed won titles...and both won because the other team was injured. How many of those other teams won titles? So, you are banking on being the team that lucks out and makes it to the final the 8% of the time that LeBron or Shaq's team have injuries.

 

[green]

I believe/hope this is the trajectory of the Jazz
year 1 next year. Improved bench with a couple more young pieces. Push for and contend for the 8th spot. I doubt they get there but it would be nice to have a shot
.
year 2. Improvement of the 2 guys we pick this year and solidly in the playoff picture. Probably a 6-8 range and a team with some depth
.
year 3. Solid playoff team competing for home court in the 1st round and a solid shot at the 2nd round.
.
year 4. A contender, chance at the WCF. This is enough time for the development of our picks this year and to tweak the roster keeping the pieces that worked and filling in the spaces around them.
.
After that I hope for a chance at a championship with further tweaks. But getting that takes a lot of luck and talent and is really hard for a small market team.

So, you are hoping for the Deron days?

 

[green]

To suggest the Jazz actually sit healthy players is ridiculous.

Ask SA how ridiculous it is. I'd bet you could ask LA after this year as well.

 

[gregbroncs]

So, you are hoping for the Deron days?

I'm hoping for a chance at a championship. That chart gets you that chance. Getting to the WCF is contending. Anything beyond that would be awesome but to expect it is unrealistic.

 

[JoelHodgeJr]

March 3rd, 2017.

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