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Where is that pit bull thread when I need it?

Armpits. Shaved, or hairy Euro-style?

I kinda like me some Euro-trash punk chicks with their armpits dyed bright pink to match their hair.
 
Bump.

So last night I was officially voted onto the Ordinance Review committee for Taylorsville and the subject of PB's was discussed at length. What are your thoughts on the following:

Taylorsville will not ban specific breeds.
The fine for your first infraction (attack) raised from $25.00 to $1,000.00, regardless of dog breed.

The idea is to punish the owner, and not the dog. IMO, this will clear a few things up. For starters, it will really only take one infraction for a "bad" owner to say, "Wow, I don't really want this dog anymore.", and "Good" owners to say, "Wow, my dog will NEVER escape my yard again." I believe it is win/win. Of course, I would still like to see all PB's destroyed, but that's just not the correct way to do things.

Thoughts/opinions?
 
I like it. Make it tough, and it will impact behavior.
 
TroutBum said:
Bump.

So last night I was officially voted onto the Ordinance Review committee for Taylorsville and the subject of PB's was discussed at length. What are your thoughts on the following:

Taylorsville will not ban specific breeds.
The fine for your first infraction (attack) raised from $25.00 to $1,000.00, regardless of dog breed.

The idea is to punish the owner, and not the dog. IMO, this will clear a few things up. For starters, it will really only take one infraction for a "bad" owner to say, "Wow, I don't really want this dog anymore.", and "Good" owners to say, "Wow, my dog will NEVER escape my yard again." I believe it is win/win. Of course, I would still like to see all PB's destroyed, but that's just not the correct way to do things.

Thoughts/opinions?
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Define attack. That's a pretty broad term open to a wide interpretation. Does a pit have to maul someone or does Fluffy just need to nip at you?

I would add that all aggressive breeds must be spayed or neutered and licensed.
 
TroutBum said:
Bump.

So last night I was officially voted onto the Ordinance Review committee for Taylorsville and the subject of PB's was discussed at length. What are your thoughts on the following:

Taylorsville will not ban specific breeds.
The fine for your first infraction (attack) raised from $25.00 to $1,000.00, regardless of dog breed.

The idea is to punish the owner, and not the dog. IMO, this will clear a few things up. For starters, it will really only take one infraction for a "bad" owner to say, "Wow, I don't really want this dog anymore.", and "Good" owners to say, "Wow, my dog will NEVER escape my yard again." I believe it is win/win. Of course, I would still like to see all PB's destroyed, but that's just not the correct way to do things.

Thoughts/opinions?
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Great work. Punishing the owner instead of the dog is definitely the right way to go.

I don't know if I'd make it a full $1000 for the first time offenders, but I think you guys are definitely on the right track. Also, the language should protect the dog owners from instances where the dog was "baited" into it. If someone is teasing a dog, or smacking it, or something equally stupid, then it's not really the dog owner's fault if that person gets bit.

Great work though. You guys are definitely on the right track and that is to be commended.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Great work. Punishing the owner instead of the dog is definitely the right way to go.
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After a $1000 fine I suspect that quite a few dogs will end up at the pound. In the end the dogs will pay the price but Taylorsville will have an extra 1k in their coffers.
 
Scat said:
After a $1000 fine I suspect that quite a few dogs will end up at the pound. In the end the dogs will pay the price but Taylorsville will have an extra 1k in their coffers.
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Maybe so. At least they won't all be banned forever though. If you're a loser that trains your dog to be viscous, you'll either keep him away from people or pay the price if he hurts someone. And if you are a normal person who trains your dog to act like a normal dog, you should be fine.

I like it. My only concerns are $1000 might be a little steep, attack can mean a number of things (as you addressed), and also if the dog is provoked or justified should be taken into consideration.
 
TroutBum said:
Bump.

So last night I was officially voted onto the Ordinance Review committee for Taylorsville and the subject of PB's was discussed at length. What are your thoughts on the following:

Taylorsville will not ban specific breeds.
The fine for your first infraction (attack) raised from $25.00 to $1,000.00, regardless of dog breed.

The idea is to punish the owner, and not the dog. IMO, this will clear a few things up. For starters, it will really only take one infraction for a "bad" owner to say, "Wow, I don't really want this dog anymore.", and "Good" owners to say, "Wow, my dog will NEVER escape my yard again." I believe it is win/win. Of course, I would still like to see all PB's destroyed, but that's just not the correct way to do things.

Thoughts/opinions?
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What qualifies as an infraction? If your dog actually bites someone, are you tried for some degree of assualt? If it kills, are your tried for criminally negligent manslaughter?
 
Scat said:
After a $1000 fine I suspect that quite a few dogs will end up at the pound. In the end the dogs will pay the price but Taylorsville will have an extra 1k in their coffers.
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Perhaps. Some things to consider though: That is kind of the point -- we don't want owners that are ho-hum about having a dog, let alone a vicious dog. If the dog attacks, and the owner decides to abandon the dog, then they can pay a small fee and leave it at the shelter where it will be put down. No more idiot owner, no more vicious dog. You say that in the end, dogs will pay the price, but really, the majority will be dogs that are a menace. I suppose there will be casualties of this plan, but you can't make everyone happy. This seems to be the best way to combat bad dogs/bad owners. Also, T-Ville contracts through WVC Animal Control, and when it was brought up, nobody knew exactly how much T-Ville gets, if any. I will let you know when I find out.
 
I believe that technically, an "attack" can be just about anything, including snarling and lunging. An owner can be cited even if the dog nips through a chain link fence, or charges someone. Of course, there will be different levels of an infraction, but we're leaning toward any type of physical attack that causes bodily harm as the worst one.
 
If you have a dog whose owners have taught it to be mean, it is unlikely that the mean can be taken out of the dog. Those reactions are hard to change, even with top-notch training, which is something most owners cannot do or do not have access to in the first place. So maybe those particular dogs are better off in the pound. And maybe it will decrease the occurrences in the long run, as long as the owner doesn't just go get another one to train to be mean after he pays the $1k. It is a solid starting point, that is for sure.
 
LogGrad98 said:
If you have a dog whose owners have taught it to be mean, it is unlikely that the mean can be taken out of the dog. Those reactions are hard to change, even with top-notch training, which is something most owners cannot do or do not have access to in the first place. So maybe those particular dogs are better off in the pound. And maybe it will decrease the occurrences in the long run, as long as the owner doesn't just go get another one to train to be mean after he pays the $1k. It is a solid starting point, that is for sure.
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Agreed.

As for the $1,000.00 being too steep, I don't think it's possible to be too steep. I think it will probably be lower than that when it's all said and done (if we decide to go this route), but I'd be all for an even higher fine. Again, the idea is to get bad dogs and bad owners off the street, so to speak.
 
And couldn't a person contest the charges and have a judge possibly reduce the fine based on the specifics of that case?
 
SaltyDawg said:
Maybe so. At least they won't all be banned forever though. If you're a loser that trains your dog to be viscous, you'll either keep him away from people or pay the price if he hurts someone. And if you are a normal person who trains your dog to act like a normal dog, you should be fine.
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So your still under the delusion that only dogs that are trained to be vicious attack?
 
Why does the fine go to the city? Shouldn't the "fine" go to the person/people attacked?
What about $500 plus any medical costs if there are any?
 
SaltyDawg said:
Maybe so. At least they won't all be banned forever though. If you're a loser that trains your dog to be viscous, you'll either keep him away from people or pay the price if he hurts someone. And if you are a normal person who trains your dog to act like a normal dog, you should be fine.

I like it. My only concerns are $1000 might be a little steep, attack can mean a number of things (as you addressed), and also if the dog is provoked or justified should be taken into consideration.
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Does this have to do with how your dog pees?

Didn't know you could train them to control the flow.
 
Scat said:
So your still under the delusion that only dogs that are trained to be vicious attack?
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It has been thoroughly proven that instinct and breeding are myths and fallacies. Every animal is, at heart, good-natured and happy, without an inkling of ever causing harm to humans, no matter what they do to each other. It is only under the direct influence and coercion of a human that any animal will lash out, least of all pitbulls. Teacup poms are far more deadly in the grand scheme of things. Pay attention.
 
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