Which management decision was the worst?

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

What if we got offered 2 **** players making a combined 15 mill whose contracts ran for the next 4 years? Would you be ok with that?

Teams were required under the salary cap this season to carry at least $49 million in contracts. The Jazz have just $25 million committed for next year, and that is including Marvin. If Marvin opts out, the Jazz will be under $18 million committed.

So, to answer your question: Yes.

 

[cctrackstar]

Maynor probably wouldn't like to come back to the team that traded him for cap relief.

 

[NAOS]

Everybody was excited about acquiring Jefferson?

There were several who knew his limitations, but were patiently optimistic since they knew we had to give Deron something (I'm in this crowd).

There were a few who called it for exactly what it was (NUMBERICA led that charge).

 

[DutchJazzer]

Jefferson is better, only because he didn't sit out 1/3 of the time he was here. Boozer may have been somewhat better when he was on the court, but he gave the Jazz nothing during his numerous injury vacations.

i wished jefferson sat out 1/3 or more of his time

 

[b_line]

Everybody was excited about acquiring Jefferson?

There were several who knew his limitations, but were patiently optimistic since they knew we had to give Deron something (I'm in this crowd).

There were a few who called it for exactly what it was (NUMBERICA led that charge).

yeah, I didn't post back then, but I was definitely skeptical of Jefferson's abilities. I was also scared that he would not even be as good as he once was after the ACL injury.

 

[NAOS]

After the trade deadline we lost 12 of 15 games. This stretch is the reason we missed the playoffs. I ****ing guarantee the biggest variable in this collapse was the lack of moving Al or Paul. Everbody be like **** teh Con continue man?!?

I long to return to the day we could have easily swapped Al for Kevin Martin.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

and MAYNOR was available at the trade deadline.Portland snagged him.

Get over it already. There's a reason Maynor has been given away twice now: he sucks.

His assists are down and his turnovers are up. He was shooting 30% from the field at OKC! His PER has sunk down to D-League replacement level. He got beat out by Reggie Jackson and Derek Fisher.

 

[NAOS]

After the trade deadline we lost 12 of 15 games. This stretch is the reason we missed the playoffs. I ****ing guarantee the biggest variable in this collapse was the lack of moving Al or Paul. Everbody be like **** teh Con continue man?!?

I long to return to the day we could have easily swapped Al for Kevin Martin.

The second biggest variable is our journeyman coach.

 

[fishonjazz]

Everybody was excited about acquiring Jefferson?

There were several who knew his limitations, but were patiently optimistic since they knew we had to give Deron something (I'm in this crowd).

There were a few who called it for exactly what it was (NUMBERICA led that charge).

How about 90% were excited about AL then. (I know I was..... what a dumbass)

 

[NAOS]

Get over it already. There's a reason Maynor has been given away twice now: he sucks.

His assists are down and his turnovers are up. His PER has sunk down to D-League replacement level. He got beat out by Reggie Jackson and Derek Fisher.

And he's the worst rebounder in the league. The Lakers victory at the Rose garden was the product of two offensive rebounds by Steve Blake... with Maynor nearby ballwatching.

 

[b_line]

After the trade deadline we lost 12 of 15 games. This stretch is the reason we missed the playoffs. I ****ing guarantee the biggest variable in this collapse was the lack of moving Al or Paul. Everbody be like **** teh Con continue man?!?

I long to return to the day we could have easily swapped Al for Kevin Martin.

I am ok with that as long as we don't have Foye and Kevin martin.

 

[Med_Phys]

Teams were required under the salary cap this season to carry at least $49 million in contracts. The Jazz have just $25 million committed for next year, and that is including Marvin. If Marvin opts out, the Jazz will be under $18 million committed.

So, to answer your question: Yes.

It has been mentioned a few times before, but if the Jazz end next season below the required minimum salary cap, the difference is given to the players on the team as a kind of bonus. We don't have to take on bad contracts to get to the minimum salary cap.

 

[gomretat]

Holy ****, let me start over: THERE ARE OTHER PLAYERS THAT EXPIRED THIS YEAR. Operating from that starting point, what is the practical loss of trading one of them for practically nothing?

So who are those players that the Jazz were offered?

 

[gomretat]

The single dumbest thing we could have done was trade Al and or Paul for anything other than a long term player with a good contract. Using a dime of salary beyond this year makes no sense unless you have a keeper.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I get the idea of bringing in Mo even though I'm not a fan. But the Jazz needed a better PG and at the very least it was a lateral move with Harris. And I get the idea of trading Harris for Marv, since Mo was the "upgrade" and since maybe a change of scenery would be good for a talented player like Marv.

I do not get not making any changes at the deadline. I have no idea how the front office saw the first half of the season and thought "yeah, this is good."

I don't regret bringing in Mo, Marvin and Randy. In theory, you brought in three shooters to complement a strong inside presence. In practice, you had players standing around watching Al make numerous ball fakes before shooting or turning into a double-team.
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What is missing is a big-picture plan that both management and the coaching staff formulate together. Decide what the offense and defense systems are going to be; then go out and find players to fit those systems. Post-Sloan, Corbin and KOC appear to be operating in 2 separate worlds. KOC brings in Marvin; Corbin runs zero plays for him. KOC brings in Mo,; Mo talks about running P&R's and being able to shoot the 3 if the opponents drop off, but the Jazz don't run P&R's. KOC drafts and trades for young talent, but there's no mandate to play and develop them.
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All I can think is the Jazz were somehow hoping to get value for Al or Paul and nothing materialized. If only bad contracts were offered, ok, I'm good with that. But I have a difficult time believing expiring contracts and a draft pick or two couldn't be obtained. The absolute WORST thing that happened to the Jazz is they started to play a little better right before the deadline. And that made trading Paul or Al risky as the playoffs seemed a certainty.

 

[Stifle Tower]

It has been mentioned a few times before, but if the Jazz end next season below the required minimum salary cap, the difference is given to the players on the team as a kind of bonus. We don't have to take on bad contracts to get to the minimum salary cap.

Can the Jazz rip up a contract and start paying a player bigger money earlier? If there's salary cap space, could the Jazz just give Hayward, Favors and Kanter more money next year. I know that's done with baseball (i.e. the contract Buster Posey just received). I guess the only way to do that would be Boozer-style. But then you've made the player an UFA and he can go anywhere.

 

[franklin]

Can the Jazz rip up a contract and start paying a player bigger money earlier? If there's salary cap space, could the Jazz just give Hayward, Favors and Kanter more money next year. I know that's done with baseball (i.e. the contract Buster Posey just received). I guess the only way to do that would be Boozer-style. But then you've made the player an UFA and he can go anywhere.

Yes and no. 4+ year contracts can only be renegotiated after the third year. Marvin Williams is the only possibility if he opts in. Rookie scale contracts are set amounts and cannot be renegotiated.

If a team doesn't meet its minimum payroll it is surcharged at the end of the season for the shortfall. That money is distributed among the players on that team.

https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q15

 

[b_line]

Yes and no. 4+ year contracts can only be renegotiated after the third year. Marvin Williams is the only possibility if he opts in. Rookie scale contracts are set amounts and cannot be renegotiated.



https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q15

Then there is the Derrick Rose rule, that says rookie contracts can be renegotiated if the player makes rookie of the year, mvp, or something like that. None of our players qualify though.

 

[franklin]

Then there is the Derrick Rose rule, that says rookie contracts can be renegotiated if the player makes rookie of the year, mvp, or something like that. None of our players qualify though.

That has to do with salary limits in the new contract, not a renegotiated one. Players coming off rookie scale are allowed to make 25% of the cap. 7+ year players and Derrick Rose Rule players get up to 30%.

 

[jazzfan1971]

I don't think it's fair to compare trades that happened with those that didn't. Those that didn't are too speculative. I mean I'm mad we didn't trade Jefferson for LeBron as much as the next guy, but, it's not fair to compare that to aquiring Mo.

Also it's hard to predict injuries. In retrospect we should have not made the Harris trade, because we could have used him when Mo went down. But, it was always obvious that the PG position was the least deep and vulnerable to injury, so I guess we can hammer that a bit.

I do think the Harris deal was bad though. The front office showed an inability to project a players worth to the Jazz there. Marvin was just a bust. Further, he's going to cost the Jazz millions more and clog up some cap room. Add that to leaving the Jazz dangerously thin at PG and I think it was a terrible move, even without the benefit of hindsight. At best a calculated risk that went worse case scenario on them.

Nothing wrong with adding Mo Williams in my opinon.

Not trading Jefferson and Millsap? Who the hell knows. I wish I knew all the options that were on the table to move those two, but, I don't.

I think maybe the biggest failure was not beating the Houston offer for Harden. It didn't cost Houston much to get him, and the Jazz sorely could have used his services now and in the future. So, if we're in the what could have been catagory I find this to be the biggest failure this year.