Who is the PGOTF (Point Guard of The Future)?

[seattlejazzfan]

Making an already volatile number more volatile number isn't great. I think Collier was great value at 29, but that 39% number you're throwing around is like a fart in the wind.

it's all we have to go on - in combination with his season's 34% which i nearly always mention at the same time. also, take it up with Zanik. he's the one who isn't concerned with Collier's shot. if the jazz aren't concerned, i'm not concerned.

 

[KqWIN]

it's all we have to go on - in combination with his season's 34% which i always mention at the same time. also, take it up with Zanik. he's the one who isn't concerned with Collier's shot. if the jazz aren't concerned, i'm not concerned.

It's quite literally not all we have to go on. And we have things beyond 3FG% to go, things that have shown more value in predicting future shooting. A FO member hyping up the guy he just drafted doesn't exactly relieve any of my concerns either.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

It's quite literally not all we have to go on. And we have things beyond 3FG% to go, things that have shown more value in predicting future shooting. A FO member hyping up the guy he just drafted doesn't exactly relieve any of my concerns either.

so your argument is that zanik is full of crap? that he's just hyping him up and doesn't really believe what he's saying? lol. you're adorable.

 

[jazznik]

I think he is the least likely bust at pg over any of the others pgs selected in the first round, especially WHERE he was selected. He may not be an all star (he could) but he will always have enough skill to run a bench squad. That would be a win for where he was selected.

I agree. Even if he will not be good enough to be a permanent starter, Collier can play several roles on the bench. He can be a floor general of the bench, a microwave scorer, or simply someone who can exploit the matchups and bully opposing PGs built like Keyonte and Dillingham (there aren't many of them but you are more likely to find slow or physically weak guards in the opposite bench units). I think that his floor is being at least a reliable rotation player off the bench.

 

[KqWIN]

so your argument is that zanik is full of crap? that he's just hyping him up and doesn't really believe what he's saying? lol. adorable.

Yeah, JZ saying "he needs to work on his shot but his form is fine" doesn't exactly change my tone on his shooting. I thought his form always looked fine, so JZ saying his form is fine has actually had zero impact on me. Did you think his form was broken and JZ showed you the light?

It's adorable if you don't think a FO guy will go out of his way and say nice/generous things about the player they just drafted. His comments were extremely mild in the first place. If he went out and said Collier is extremely good shooter that would be one thing. JZ said he needs to work on his shot, his form looks fine, he's not used to shooting a lot bc he never had to, and also reminded the media why they drafted him (not shooting).

At the end of the day, the indicators are what they are. Words aren't going to change. Anyone with the shooting results/volume Collier had should come with concerns.

 

[LogGrad98]

Lisan Al Ghaib

Isn't she in the WNBA?

 

[Ron Mexico]

I could easily see any of the 3 being the starting PG in 4 years and at a high level. If Keyonte comes out and dominates summer league for 1 1/2 games and then leaves I'll be pretty high on him. If he is still has poor efficiency and getting crushed on screens I'll still have hope but down on him a bit.

Sexton has always been a good scorer but he's been pretty selfish and bad vision until the last half or maybe a little longer of the season. I could see him taking another step and really cementing himself as the starting PG. He's a hard worker and at that age where he is getting more mature but still has a chip on his shoulder.

Collier has all the tools and court vision to be elite. I need to see him in the NBA first though. If he can still bully his way to the basket in the NBA and is willing to be coached I'll be very high on him.

I've probably never been lower on our PG situation than the start of last season. I feel completely opposite this year. THT, Sexton, and Clarkson at the start of last year made by eyes bleed. One of them fixed things though.

Anyways I'm voting Keyonte for now. But who knows in a month.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Shelvin Mack

 

[framer]

Yeah, JZ saying "he needs to work on his shot but his form is fine" doesn't exactly change my tone on his shooting. I thought his form always looked fine, so JZ saying his form is fine has actually had zero impact on me. Did you think his form was broken and JZ showed you the light?

It's adorable if you don't think a FO guy will go out of his way and say nice/generous things about the player they just drafted. His comments were extremely mild in the first place. If he went out and said Collier is extremely good shooter that would be one thing. JZ said he needs to work on his shot, his form looks fine, he's not used to shooting a lot bc he never had to, and also reminded the media why they drafted him (not shooting).

At the end of the day, the indicators are what they are. Words aren't going to change. Anyone with the shooting results/volume Collier had should come with concerns.

He's the same guy that said Hendricks was 9th on their board. That would argue against him sugarcoating. . .

 

[fishonjazz]

The best thing about Flagg is that the kid's a generational shot blocker. We don't have to sacrifice spacing for a non-shooting rim protector with him on the floor. The kid can cover so much ground just by himself.

Tank the F's outta this bitch

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[Jazz Traveler]

I don’t think the point guard of the future is on the Jazz currently. Sexton is probably the best of the lot. Collier will be lucky to make it into the rotation. Keyonte is one of the worst defenders in the nba. Unless he drastically improves his defense, I consider him future trade fodder.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Not on roster, unfortunately.

 

[KqWIN]

I agree. Even if he will not be good enough to be a permanent starter, Collier can play several roles on the bench. He can be a floor general of the bench, a microwave scorer, or simply someone who can exploit the matchups and bully opposing PGs built like Keyonte and Dillingham (there aren't many of them but you are more likely to find slow or physically weak guards in the opposite bench units). I think that his floor is being at least a reliable rotation player off the bench.

Collier has some star qualities you cannot teach….but imo the two traits that get you on the court are shooting/defense. Those are the two big question marks for him. Not too many guards around the league who can stick around without being able to do at least one.

His defensive potential is underrated though imo.