Ya my first choice is Pete then whitmer, then newsom.
Pete is my preference for President, but I really don't think he can win. Too many of the independent voters are pretty homophobic and back it with Christianity. But he's better than Biden for sure. So might as well put a decent candidate out. Although democrat party won't put a new guy out there either.
With Pete I say **** it. Let's put out a good candidate and see what happens.
So you just admitted that you blatantly lied that you are not an Alt left Democrat... Like I've said this entire time. Why do you have to lie about everything? It's literally every...single... thing... you lie about.
I don't think you need to appeal to independents to win. You need people to show up and vote. Once again, Activation >>> centrist appeal
Democrats aren't leftist, ***.
Terrorist then my bad... That openly advocate for murder of political candidates simply because you don't like them.
FTFY
No I'm serious, the progressive wing (bernie, aoc) comes closest but are still, at heart, liberals. Ask a leftist if the Democrats are Leftist. We don't have a labor or a leftist party here.
You Alt-Leftist do openly advocate for murder and killing people though. That's about as far Alt-Left(closer to terrorism than being a normal person) as it gets.
I was thinking about that too.
Lol ********...
The mythical "swing" voters. Those who see enough of Trump's crap to not want to vote for him directly, but are not full-on progressive enough to embrace a woman or LGBTQ, or hell even a mormon candidate. I have several in my extended family who fit this bill. Discussions are usually along the lines that women are not prepared to be the president (usually meaning too emotional or not logical enough, or too soft, or too hysterical, or not strong enough to make the tough choices, whatever slur you want to think of fits here), and gay people don't represent the population (read: "gay people don't represent me" or simply "no way I am voting for a gay person"). Many of them in our family and acquaintance groups are mormon, so they have a strong patriarchal and anti-gay bent to begin with. Most also do not want a minority to be president again. Many voted for Trump the first time, so it isn't a huge stretch for them to vote Trump again. Or at least switch from a dem vote to an independent, which is as good as a vote for Trump at this point I believe those who follow this sort of thing tightly believe it is a fairly sizable chunk of the population, enough to likely swing a very close vote between Biden and Trump at this point, or at least enough to take votes away from Biden and to an independent to split the vote and let Trump win anyway. I think one nail in the coffin for Biden was the debate. Now Trump gets a sliver of that group in the sympathy vote from the assassination attempt. It's a complex landscape to be certain.
So those people with all those negative personal characteristics you described, they were going to vote for Biden, who is advocating all the same things they supposedly abhor?
woah, this is no place for such sincere high level discussion mister
It isn't black and white. It isn't "I love all gays" and "kill all gays". It is a spectrum for all of this. There are people who voted Trump then decided they didn't like how extreme he got. So they would prefer to vote against him. So a white male authority figure is easier for them to stomach than the other possible groups. Take that away and you have the risk of them voting independent or going back to Trump. It is nuanced and difficult to predict, but it is there. That is what most pundits believe as well. This group in the middle that don't necessarily trust an ethnic minority or female or alternative lifestyle candidate, but aren't necessarily frothing at the mouth about it. Those frothing at the mouth about it are already usually die-hard Trumpers to begin with.
