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why so many of you giving up on Burke? He is our future PG, period!

da ThRONe said:
Straight line speed Burke is probably in the top 25% of all point guards quickness he's probably somewhere in the middle. I would say Tony's in his prime was top 15% in both categories.

Again as someone who followed Chris Paul's career @WF then had "my team" draft him I see Burke comparing to Paul more than any other guard. Similar athletes, similar skill sets, PNR dominate, similar BBIQ, and similar size. Paul was more pass 1st especially early in games. I think Burke has the luxury of sitting down with Stockton and they are going to go over film and John will point out to Trey all the times passing was a better option. I think Trey based on Snyder forte' being PNR and based on his own hard work will have a huge jump in production like he did from year 1 to year 2 @UofM.
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I'm just not seeing the cp3 and Parker comparisons.

When I see Burke i see Jameer Nelson.

I could also see comparisons to maybe Mike Conley.
 
da ThRONe said:
Straight line speed Burke is probably in the top 25% of all point guards quickness he's probably somewhere in the middle. I would say Tony's in his prime was top 15% in both categories.

Again as someone who followed Chris Paul's career @WF then had "my team" draft him I see Burke comparing to Paul more than any other guard. Similar athletes, similar skill sets, PNR dominate, similar BBIQ, and similar size. Paul was more pass 1st especially early in games. I think Burke has the luxury of sitting down with Stockton and they are going to go over film and John will point out to Trey all the times passing was a better option. I think Trey based on Snyder forte' being PNR and based on his own hard work will have a huge jump in production like he did from year 1 to year 2 @UofM.
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thanks for this post. im a bit down on trey and need people like you to keep hope alive
 
Burke is gonna ****ing kill it this year and I can hardly wait.

Legit, I'm losing the blinding-desire to draft a first option on offense, cuz I think Burke might be able to fit that role. Yes, I'm serious. Burke/Tomic pick and rolls with Snyder coaching all day err day. Hell, I wouldn't even be devastated with drafting Gordon if the FO is confident he won't muck up spacing, and that he can hit FTs.

Burke
Hayward
Gordon
Favors
Kanter
Burks
Gobert
Tomic
Neto
3andD-dude

I'm fine with rolling that out. If Kanter dogs it, leave win Gobert and Tomic. Trade Tomic elsewhere if Kanter + Gobert are killin it. Maybe bring back Marv as our stretch-4. Hopefully Burke improves his D, and is given the reigns to the offense (instead of giving things to Hayward again-- who excels much more off the ball).
 
dalamon said:
Burke is gonna ****ing kill it this year and I can hardly wait.

Legit, I'm losing the blinding-desire to draft a first option on offense, cuz I think Burke might be able to fit that role. Yes, I'm serious. Burke/Tomic pick and rolls with Snyder coaching all day err day. Hell, I wouldn't even be devastated with drafting Gordon if the FO is confident he won't muck up spacing, and that he can hit FTs.

Burke
Hayward
Gordon
Favors
Kanter
Burks
Gobert
Tomic
Neto
3andD-dude

I'm fine with rolling that out. If Kanter dogs it, leave win Gobert and Tomic. Trade Tomic elsewhere if Kanter + Gobert are killin it. Maybe bring back Marv as our stretch-4. Hopefully Burke improves his D, and is given the reigns to the offense (instead of giving things to Hayward again-- who excels much more off the ball).
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i said it in a thread i started about the young guys on this team and i will say it again.

a lineup like the one you suggest is totally fine with me. i look forward to it in fact. its crazy to say but i kinda dont even want a kevin love/james harden type guy.

i want to see what our young guys can do. coach em up right, play em lots of minutes together, let em build chemistry and i think this team can surprise some people.

they need to get that us against the world warrior attitude and really fight for each other and stand up for each other..... become one solid group, not individuals. (im a little worried about haywards attitude when it pertains to this type of philosophy but hopefully snyder can achieve a strong unity with this group)

nothing would be better than these guys that we already have proving everyone wrong and shocking the rest of the league
 
fishonjazz said:
i said it in a thread i started about the young guys on this team and i will say it again.

a lineup like the one you suggest is totally fine with me. i look forward to it in fact. its crazy to say but i kinda dont even want a kevin love/james harden type guy.

i want to see what our young guys can do. coach em up right, play em lots of minutes together, let em build chemistry and i think this team can surprise some people.

they need to get that us against the world warrior attitude and really fight for each other and stand up for each other..... become one solid group, not individuals. (im a little worried about haywards attitude when it pertains to this type of philosophy but hopefully snyder can achieve a strong unity with this group)

nothing would be better than these guys that we already have proving everyone wrong and shocking the rest of the league
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I totally get what you mean. It's a lot more 'romantic' winning a championship as underdogs, or succeeding when few expected it-- as opposed to us getting Wiggins, and all eyes being on us for 10 years to see if we ever get a championship.


Like for Heat fans, winning a championship is more of a 'relief' than a 'celebration'. Ya know?
 
dalamon said:
I totally get what you mean. It's a lot more 'romantic' winning a championship as underdogs, or succeeding when few expected it-- as opposed to us getting Wiggins, and all eyes being on us for 10 years to see if we ever get a championship.


Like for Heat fans, winning a championship is more of a 'relief' than a 'celebration'. Ya know?
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also more special to do it with dudes that we drafted and that we developed.

i feel they are our guys (though they probably could give a **** about utah tbh lol)
 
Ya, I don't want teh Jazz to win a Championship unless it's in a very specific way that I have planned out in my head.

LOL


£¥£
 
dalamon said:
Legit, I'm losing the blinding-desire to draft a first option on offense, cuz I think Burke might be able to fit that role.
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Wait, what? Burke may end up a passable starting PG, but a #1 scorer...on a championship team? Really? How's he getting those points? There are only so many opportunities for pull-up mid-range jumpers and spot-up 3s.
 
The Thriller said:
I'm just not seeing the cp3 and Parker comparisons.

When I see Burke i see Jameer Nelson.

I could also see comparisons to maybe Mike Conley.
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I compared to Burke to Parker earlier in the thread for the purpose of illustrating that because someone doesn't have "all that" in their rookie year, then its time to give up on them. Also, I compared them because they are physically similar. You noted earlier in a previous post of yours that Parker is "like 6' 4" " Well he is "like" 6,4 because he's 6,2. Also, Trey's rookie numbers are comparable - better in some respects - to Parker's. See the numbers from NBA.com below. Also the Draft Express #'s are below in case you still think Tony Parker is 6,4.

Trey is a 90% FT shooter at 21years old - a very high indicator of exceptional hand-eye coordination. I believe he will become the mid-range equivalent of Tony Parker - or better if that is possible. (Has there been anyone in NBA who is that high of FT shooter and was not an exceptional shooter from the floor?)

Trey was enough of a performer this year to be all- rookie (97% of "all rookies" go on to have good-to-great careers - but I only went back to mid 90's for that data)

Ultimately Trey Burke had a good enough year as a rookie that we should be excited for him as a Jazzman. His rookie year indicates FULLY that he's capable of being a good-to-great player. It is only if he has the WILL to be great and we'll find that out by seeing his progress in year 2... As the Jazz GM, I'm keeping him. He is also clutch and that is a very innate skill.
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Parker Rookie 01-02 (played 77games, started 72)
FG% = 41.9
3FG% = 32.3%
FT% = 67.5%
AST/g = 4.3
TO/g = 2.0
Pts/g 9.2
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Parker Career
FG% = 49.5%
3FG% = 31.6%
FT% = 75.2%
AST/g = 6.0
TO/g = 2.5
Pts/g 17.1
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Parker quit taking 3’s after 4th year (2.7 pergame down to about .8 pergam)
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Burke Rookie
FG% = 38.0%
3FG% = 33.0%
FT% = 90.3%
AST/g = 5.7
TO/g = 1.9
Pts/g 12.8
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Draft Express measurements
Burke……6’ 1.25” in shoes, 8”.1.5” reach weight 187 29.5”vert, 36.5max vert
Parker….6’ 2” weight 177 (no other details)
 
Someone outlined these before in some thread a while back. I'll repeat it

Name..........ht...wt....reach
TB3 ...........6'1 187...8'1.25
Chris Paul. ...6'1..178...7'9
Steve Nash...6'1 187
Tony Parker..6'2 177
Rajon Rondo. 6.1...188
Mike Conley...6.1...175..7.10.5
D Lillard.......6.3...189...7,11.5
Eric Bledsoe6'1.5...192...8'2
Kyrie Irving...6.3.5 191.... 8'3
Deron Will.....6.3...202...8'2
John Wall..... 6.4...195...8'5.5j
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(And of course John Stockton who was 6.1 170)

There are others you could list

This is enough data to show that Trey Burke's size does not preclude him from being one of the best PG in the game.
 
UGLI baby said:
Ya, I don't want teh Jazz to win a Championship unless it's in a very specific way that I have planned out in my head.

LOL


£¥£
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I want a championship no matter how we get it.

If i could choose between winning a championship on the back of a linuep featuring kobe, rondo, love, hibbert, and harden (or some similar lineup of other teams players) or winning a championship with burke, burks, hayward, favors, and kanter making up a large part of the core........ then i would choose to win it with our guys.

If you want that to mean that i only want to win a championship by a certain set of criteria then go ahead and think that but it just aint true.

I will take a championship with margo dydek as our go to woman and donald sterling playing point guard with rosie odonnel as the head coach if thats what it took to get a championship.
 
I'm not an Exum lover or a Burke hater. However, Exum's unique size and gifts for the potitions are too much to pass up IMO if he's there at five (unless Parker or someone else in the top 3 slips). Drafting for position is stupid unless you're an elite team. Even then it's probably stupid.
 
Harcher said:
Trey is a 90% FT shooter at 21years old - a very high indicator of exceptional hand-eye coordination. I believe he will become the mid-range equivalent of Tony Parker - or better if that is possible. (Has there been anyone in NBA who is that high of FT shooter and was not an exceptional shooter from the floor?)
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1. There have only been 5 players with 5000+ minutes who shot 90% from the free throw line. Probably not the best place to start.

2. Of the 81 NBA players with 5000+ minutes who shot at least 85% from the line for their respective careers, 18 shot under 42% from the floor, 13 shot under 41%, and 3 shot under 40%.
 
GVC said:
1. There have only been 5 players with 5000+ minutes who shot 90% from the free throw line. Probably not the best place to start.

2. Of the 81 NBA players with 5000+ minutes who shot at least 85% from the line for their respective careers, 18 shot under 42% from the floor, 13 shot under 41%, and 3 shot under 40%.
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Thanks for looking that up - the correlation to excellence is not as high as I imagined.
 
a short unathletic point guard played for the jazz a while ago. jazz let him go after 20 years. gary payton loved him. anyone knows who that is?
 
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