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Will the Bush Tax Cuts be Extended?

Will the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% be extended?

  • Yes, Congress will hook up their hbuddies

    Votes: 8 57.1%

  • No, Congress will agree w/the President and let them expire

    Votes: 6 42.9%
  • Total voters
    14
bordelais7 said:
I know it's a mistake to even bring this up (I'll check back in when this gets to page 24), but aren't you essentially only making an argument for taxation in general, and not necessarily an argument for a progressive tax? If it is indeed a "common social structure", then why should taxation be...uncommon?
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I agree that the statement I made is not necessarily an argument for a progressive taxation structure. Such an argument, which I sense you are reluctant to begin, would need additional ideas that, due to the perceived reluctance, I shall refrain from including.
 
One Brow said:
I agree that the statement I made is not necessarily an argument for a progressive taxation structure. Such an argument, which I sense you are reluctant to begin, would need additional ideas that, due to the perceived reluctance, I shall refrain from including.
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As long as we agree that they are separate or at least inequivalent arguments, I am satisfied in stopping here.
 
LOL!!!

Obama has no balls.

He caved in. I remember watching just a few weeks ago him saying on TV, "I'll sign off on the Bush tax cuts if the Republicans can show how they'll pay for them."

LOL. So what's the Republican's plans? What did they come up with that your cabinet couldn't? What's the plan? How are they going to be paid for? Waiting for the details "Annointed One!"

Obama is such a joke.

Caves in health care, caves with the wars (WHY THE **** ARE WE IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ STILL?), and is now caving to the Repubs on this issue.

The right gets to have it both ways.

They get to murder Obama on AM radio acting as if he's a tyrant that never listens or compromises. Then, in DC, they get to bend and break him and his policies. Obama is turning out to be a great extension of the Republican party. He does nearly everything they want, while blaming everything on the Democrats and letting them take the fall.

It's a win win deal for the Repubs!

This also sets the Republicans up for 2012. He'll be lacking support from his left base (kicky is an example of this. The left is pissed over him caving in.) and the right (which Obama never had the support of) will be firing on all cylinders to destroy the unAmerican/Socialist/incompetent left who in 4 years did nothing good.

Obama has certainly lost my support after this........
 
One last thing, the Democrats are such wusses. Did they learn nothing from 8 years of Karl Rove?

Stick it to the other side! Make them the villains!!!

The Democrats play this game horribly.

Instead of destroying the Republicans and holding them accountable for not allowing the unemployment benefits to pass, they cave in and "compromise." Why? Think Bush would have done this? Seriously, just imagine had the shoe been on the other foot. AM radio and Karl Rove's propaganda machine would have destroyed the Democrats for "obstructing" the American people to play political games. Americans would be outraged at the Democrats for trying to force their tax cuts on people and forgetting about the unemployed only to prove a point.

I thought the Democrats had the upper hand. Kick, One Brow, etc was I wrong?

Why didn't the Demos play hardball with them?

It seems to me that the Republicans certainly know the art of sticking firm to their guns and manipulating the American people to get what they want. A lot better than the Demos.
 
End the wars: Failed. Today it was reported that it will be until 2014 in Afghanistan. Peitrus says that "We need to stay committed until the Taliban come to the negotiating table." Yeah, since that worked so well in Vietnam.... When did the N. Vietnamese surrender again? Ugh.... Vietnam II
Health Care Reform: sucked (caved into Republican pressure. I wanted a single payer system).
Tax Cuts: Failed (2 more years of the same crap! yay! Richies make off to create jobs in India. While everyone else gets a few hundreds bucks back. While deficits skyrocket).

Obama has failed at all 3 of his main promises.
 
I was so mad I had to leave work. I was completely unable to function after about 3:30 PM. I actually puked when I got home. I wish I was making any of this up. Admittedly I had a fever this morning, but I swear it was related to Obama. :)

All I've been able to think about between bouts of sleep is "this never would have happened if Hillary was President."
 
Interesting, the Tea Baggers support this tax cut.

I thought they were against deficits and runaway spending? This cut is going to cost us anywhere from $900 billion to $1.2 trillion.
 
Sirkickyass said:
All I've been able to think about between bouts of sleep is "this never would have happened if Hillary was President."
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Because she only lies to the American public when Israel, American zionists and Arab dictators ask for favors?
 
The Thriller said:
Interesting, the Tea Baggers support this tax cut.

I thought they were against deficits and runaway spending? This cut is going to cost us anywhere from $900 billion to $1.2 trillion.
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Of course you wanted single payer. All Progressives did. Unfortunately for you this is a center right nation. Not an uber left one. As for Tea Partiers, let me tell you what they want. Keep the tax rates the same as we are already taxed too much, and cute government spending. Neither party is adult enough to do it but entitlements need to be reformed on a major basis. It won't happen though because that would mean both parties would lose votes. This is what happens when you are enslaved by entitlements. The minute they are threatened, people go up in arms. Look at France and their idea to raise the retirement age from 60 to 62. Rioting in the streets by college students etc. Other spending cuts, defense spending. Sorry, whether we like it or not there is probably going to be an attack at some point. Cut the defense budget. Pull our troops out of North Korea and Germany for that matter. We don't need to police the world. Close our bases around the world and I am sure we could start reducing our deficit. I guess I like the isolationist idea.
 
Sirkickyass said:
I was so mad I had to leave work. I was completely unable to function after about 3:30 PM. I actually puked when I got home. I wish I was making any of this up. Admittedly I had a fever this morning, but I swear it was related to Obama. :)

All I've been able to think about between bouts of sleep is "this never would have happened if Hillary was President."
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There are rumors that she could challenge Obama for the nomination in 2012, but I believe that is just wishful thinking from Democrats with buyer's remorse.
 
my obama apologist circle of friends say this is a politically expedient move on obama's part, ensuring his reelection in 2012, because he can campaign on ending the tax cuts for the rich and nobody is going to remember his cowardice today

it was the same justification they gave for him not doing anything on DADT this year, citing the importance of the midterm elections

your liberal base everyone, applauding the enactment of a republican agenda because, um, it gets our guys elected (and not even that)

edit: frankly mulletmutilator, i'd love to see college students in this nation get excited over anything political, besides condescending jon stewart rallies
 
Get Down said:
my obama apologist circle of friends say this is a politically expedient move on obama's part, ensuring his reelection in 2012, because he can campaign on ending the tax cuts for the rich and nobody is going to remember his cowardice today

it was the same justification they gave for him not doing anything on DADT this year, citing the importance of the midterm elections

your liberal base everyone, applauding the enactment of a republican agenda because, um, it gets our guys elected (and not even that)
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I just think the guy was elected to be the POTUS and has no idea what he is doing. I know there are promises made on the campaign by every candidate that never come to fruition. But he gets in and claims shutting down Guantanamo was a huge deal and needed to be done within a year. Didn't happen. We would be out of this war in(was it 16 months), never happened. I think he is still in campaign mode when he should have hit the pavement and governed.
 
Get Down said:
my obama apologist circle of friends say this is a politically expedient move on obama's part, ensuring his reelection in 2012, because he can campaign on ending the tax cuts for the rich and nobody is going to remember his cowardice today
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That rationale is moronic. In fact he just assured that the opposite will occur. He's cutting payroll taxes for 2011 and then they automatically rise again in 2012. Guess who the Republicans are going to blame for a 2% across the board (for employees, not for the real rich people) tax increase in an election year?
 
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