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Will there be American invasion in Syria?

ElRoach0 said:
Public Opinion globally. If we can get other nations to see that we are willing to stop chemical weapon usage, that's great. But if we can get the people of the world to see that we're restraining ourselves to find a peaceful resolution instead of another vietnam/iraq, then we've got a HUGE, cost effective win without even firing a shot.
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We have been working for 50+ years to try and convince others to be Democratic and free.

I don't think we really are having a good influence. If a country wants to be free, then it will choose to be so. If a country wants to be oppressive and obtain chemical weapons, then it will choose so.

Seriously, critical thinking skills here. Lets say we bomb the hell out of Assad. What's stopping him from developing or obtaining these weapons again? If he really wants them he's gonna get them. Your chances of stopping all gun murders in the USA is higher than stopping oppressive ME governments from obtaining weapons and killing each other.
 
Stoked said:
Obviously the government's of the world care.

Putin is doing this to maintain/fight for power and influence. Energy, a friendly middle east government, a Mediterranean port...

I agree on focusing on our own problems. However that only serves so far. Isolationism is not the answer.
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Isolationism is always the answer. And it always will be. Our FF never intended for us to be involved with all these alliances and use our own blood and treasury for these types of Eagle Scout projects.
 
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What part of my post made you think i care if others are "free and democratic"? I encourage other countries to find what's best for them.

The use of chemical weapons is something else entirely, and must be stopped. In my opinion, more so than nukes. Nothing is going to stop him from obtaining more. But this isn't a car of every time someone steps out of line chemical weapons are being used. There's not quite the track record to denote that there's 0 chance he's sincere about giving up his weapons.

We should not be policing the world, only ourselves.

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The Thriller said:
Sure they can care. We all care. But to what extent? And who thinks that our cure will be worse than the disease?

I wish it rained candy and doughnuts in N Korea. That doesn't mean we should invade it to "liberate" it's people. Often, our own intervention leads to a worse situation. Just look at Iraq. More people have died and are dying and will die because of our actions than Saddam ever killed.
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I love how you try to pick fights with people without knowing their stances.
 
The Thriller said:
Good. Then put your money where your mouth is and sign up to go stick it to Assad. I'm sure Al-Queda will greet you as a liberator....

And pay for it yourself. Stop stealing my hard earned taxes (and my children's and grandchildrens) to pay for your cute altruistic endearvors. Fight for freedom with your own life, time, and money.

80+ percent of Americans agree with me btw. :)
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Hahaha. Go read the thread before you single people out.
 
ElRoach0 said:
If by "wearing a bindfold" you mean "won't go to the absolute furthest extent any sane person can imagine, and jumping one step past that to find my conclusion", then yes.

Your truth is nothing more than where you want to think. You clearly have the need to think of the US as a mastermind that controls everything through a series of back alley deals. And that's cool, you do that. I'm totally cool with you letting that take you to your grave.

But, before you rattle off about how the US government is working with an Alien species, which explains why we're always one step ahead of everyone else, what's your answer? What do you do in this situation? Where, exactly, do you stand at THIS point. Make it quick and simple, don't give 150 years of psuedo truths and opinion. Don't give me "It's a matter of fact that this guy read some documentation co-authored by a the guy who invented the cuban sandwich at the same hotel Assad and Saddam met at."

You are one of the worlds super powers. The UN has clearly defined a specific type of warfare(chemical) as off limits. Someone in a country is using them. You know for sure the existing government has a stockpile of this technology. NO ONE GIVES A CRAP WHERE IT CAME FROM. You know that this is HUGE and ALL OVER the media.

Oh, great one, praytell! What would you have us do?
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What pseudo truths?

I have already posted in this thread where I stand. I will for you repeat myself.

As bad as Assad may be I believe the rebels look like they would be worse. There is nothing to be gained, from a humanitarian perspective, by weakening Assad. Look at how the US dealt with the Egypt/Israel problem. A carrot would have had more influence on Assad than the stick. Putin has his back and now the US is forced into a horrible position.

As for the world deciding that chemical weapons are out of bounds I'm pretty sure they have decided that child soldiers are out of bounds as well. I don't believe that the US is a puppet master, but I also don't believe that the US would get involved for purely humanitarian causes.( because we don't)
 
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The Thriller said:
We have been working for 50+ years to try and convince others to be Democratic and free.

I don't think we really are having a good influence. If a country wants to be free, then it will choose to be so. If a country wants to be oppressive and obtain chemical weapons, then it will choose so.

Seriously, critical thinking skills here. Lets say we bomb the hell out of Assad. What's stopping him from developing or obtaining these weapons again? If he really wants them he's gonna get them. Your chances of stopping all gun murders in the USA is higher than stopping oppressive ME governments from obtaining weapons and killing each other.
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You talk about countries like they are sentient beings. Countries are all filled with human beings no different than you or me. Well, a little different than you in that they are usually pretty decent people...but pretty close nonetheless.
 
The Thriller said:
Isolationism is always the answer. And it always will be. Our FF never intended for us to be involved with all these alliances and use our own blood and treasury for these types of Eagle Scout projects.
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Our FF also never intended us to allow women and people of color to vote. They actually intended much worse but I don't want to shock you into a heart attack. Just try and digest the suffrage thing first then we can speak more on the intentions of our FF.
 
Gameface said:
You talk about countries like they are sentient beings. Countries are all filled with human beings no different than you or me. Well, a little different than you in that they are usually pretty decent people...but pretty close nonetheless.
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You're right. And we seem to think that our intervention into Syria will somehow make things better. Lol. Weaning Assad isn't a good thing. Unless you want to help Al Queda. Assad is an *** wipe. Hence, why we should just stay out and let Allah sort things out. Every time America intervenes in these situations it becomes worse. Just look at Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
 
heyhey said:
Our FF also never intended us to allow women and people of color to vote. They actually intended much worse but I don't want to shock you into a heart attack. Just try and digest the suffrage thing first then we can speak more on the intentions of our FF.
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But I was trying to found conservative because conservatives love the FF and Constitution. Except when it's against something they want.
 
Stoked said:
Hahaha. Go read the thread before you single people out.
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Sorry, I'm too busy worried about the Ruskies overthrowing the dollar to read through this thread. Or was it china that was going to do that? If its anything like the garbage you and your paranoid friends have spewed, I'm not missing out on anything.
 
ElRoach0 said:
What part of my post made you think i care if others are "free and democratic"? I encourage other countries to find what's best for them.

The use of chemical weapons is something else entirely, and must be stopped. In my opinion, more so than nukes. Nothing is going to stop him from obtaining more. But this isn't a car of every time someone steps out of line chemical weapons are being used. There's not quite the track record to denote that there's 0 chance he's sincere about giving up his weapons.

We should not be policing the world, only ourselves.

Sent from your moms room.... While she was sleeping.
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The rebels aren't any better.

Helping out either side on this matter is illegal and against what the world stands for. In this case, you're either aiding a dictator or terrorists. Nothin is to be gained here. It's that simple.
 
Gameface said:
Obama is saying it's cool because no American boots on the ground. Personally I think killing people from a distance and having no skin in the game is pretty disgusting. In no way do I want a single U.S. soldier to die in Syria, but if it isn't worth sending troops, if the mission is not vitally important for the security of the U.S., then it's a situation we should stay out of completely. This idea that it's okay as long as we're killing by remote control and not in person is terrible.
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Here's a little summary of my position, Thriller...
 
The Thriller said:
But I was trying to found conservative because conservatives love the FF and Constitution. Except when it's against something they want.
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Yeah I can see that, but it's disingenuous. Our FF wore ribbon on their hair for Christs sake. Who the hell does that.

"Mr. Jefferson are you ready for your portrait sitting."

"Hold on I have to redo the bow in my ponytail, it's all crooked"
 
The Thriller said:
Sorry, I'm too busy worried about the Ruskies overthrowing the dollar to read through this thread. Or was it china that was going to do that? If its anything like the garbage you and your paranoid friends have spewed, I'm not missing out on anything.
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Haha. Wrong again.
 
This is your stance. Not what you would do.

And theres kind of a little difference between child labor and chemical warfare. Don't get me wrong, both are awful, but chemical warfare has higher stakes

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