Jack Strop
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Frontloading makes sense. Without what's his name, Jazz are well under the tax this season, but need all the room they can manage in future years.
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Same rules for maximum decreases as for max increases in a regular back-loaded contract.
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Here's official-ish:
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/890201648097832960
I don't know how it goes to 10.8M in the last year, because for it to get there the contract goes under 50M. It's possible they have some incentives in the contract.
Here's official-ish:
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/890201648097832960
I don't know how it goes to 10.8M in the last year, because for it to get there the contract goes under 50M. It's possible they have some incentives in the contract.
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Is 111 over the luxury tax?
No, luxury tax is like $119M.
Do incentives count against the cap?
If they are met. Gobert made an extra million year because of All-NBA and All-Defensive teams.
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Love Jingles. Probably my 3rd or 4th favorite guy on the roster after Rudy and Mitchell, and depending on how I'm feeling about Joe Jesus at any given moment.
Depends on whether the incentives the are deemed likely or unlikely. For example, before Gobert made all-nba and all-defense team his cap/salary was 21.3M, once he made those teams his cap number jumped to 21.9M.
I think the league determines those based on performance from previous season. For example if in the contract it says the player gets extra 0.5M if he plays 70 games, if he has played 69 the previous season this one is deemed unlikely and doesn't count towards the cap, if he has played 71 games it's deemed likely and it counts towards the cap.
link?
Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux were discussing it in one of their podcasts but I don't know which one exactly(so I don't have a link, I'm sorry). One of the main points they made is that this might be a way for some teams to cheat the system a bit in FA and set up contracts that even though deemed unlikely are actually likely. For example giving a player that was injured for most of the year a bonus if he plays more than 25 games(which he didn't play the previous season). This way they can sign the player to a lower number on the cap at the time than he's actually going to end up getting.
edit: Here's a bit more from the CBA FAQ: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q74
I know the Jazz do a lot of incentives based on going to P3 and working out in Utah for a certain amount of time during the off-season.
Yeah, that's true. Rudy's contract had incentives too - both based on participation in off-season workouts and in in-season performance. I think he's getting them all.
There are two types of incentives. Ones deemed "likely" count against the cap. Ones deemed "unlikely" do not. See http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q74
No, it's whether they are deemed likely vs. unlikely, not whether they are met. Otherwise the team wouldn't know its cap space until the end of the season and that would be nonsensical.
Yeah, what he said!
So Gobert's All-Defensive team and All-NBA team (both first) were deemed likely? Seems unlikely.
If he's done it the previous season(2016-2017) they are deemed "likely" for the following season(2017-2018). If he hasn't, it's deemed unlikely.
I don't know if Gobert has All-NBA first team incentive or just a general All-NBA team(1st, second or third) incentive. If he has a 1st team all-NBA incentive in his contract, it will be deemed "unlikely", if he has an all-NBA second or third team(or general) incentive in his contract, it will be deemed "likely". At least, that's the way I understand it. It's never ideal, but this seems somewhat reasonable way to determine what is and what isn't likely. Again - the problem with loopholes emerges and I bet teams will start abusing those and the league will crack down on those in a following CBA or as an addendum to the current one next year.