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Would you vote for an atheist for President of the US

Would you vote for an atheist for President?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 76.5%
  • No

    Votes: 8 23.5%

  • Total voters
    34
Could we please get back to opening this up so some more folks can talk about why they would or would not vote for an "atheist". Just one more bit, really, no matter how devout some believers are it seems to me none of us really know much about God and might look to Him live serious disbelievers anyway. Thats what I like about some atheists, as I read them, they are trying to just be honest with themselves somehow.

There are also some "believers" that are honest with themselves as well. It just depends on the person.
There are bad, or fake people that "believe in God".... but then again, do they really believe if their actions tell us otherwise?

Beliefs and core values are tied to thought, thought leads to words then actions. Those actions basically tell everyone around you who you are. You can say you believe something, but it has to come through in your actions for it to be true.

Because I believe in God, and I feel it is important to this nation, naturally I would want someone with similar ideas, and morals to lead this country. If that is not an option I would want the next best thing. I would rather have an athiest President with morals, and integrity that is trying to help this country than I would a fake religious person (or athiest for that matter) who is greedy and power hungry.

I think people tend to vote for people that have ideas, morals, etc... that are similar to their own because the odds are they will like more of that persons decisions over someone very different.

Even though I would personally lean towards someone that believed in God, that is just a general leaning because they would be somewhat similar to me. Would that person even believe in God the same way I do? I can't say how I would vote here because I would have to know which candidates were involved, know their policies and tendencies before I made the choice. I don't follow a party, but I try to vote by who I feel would best help our country, and often times I am voting for or against the people around a candidate as much as the candidate themselves.
 
I made a broad and general statement as well if that's the standard. I said the people he settles for, not "his current girlfriend."
 
Why did he feel it necessary to attack anyone at all? I hadn't said a thing to him. Nor have I ever without being instigated by HIM!!!! Why does he think he can say what he wants about others but I should be "mature" and remove MY comments?
 
Why did he feel it necessary to attack anyone at all? I hadn't said a thing to him. Nor have I ever without being instigated by HIM!!!! Why does he think he can say what he wants about others but I should be "mature" and remove MY comments?

I thought it was hormonal female teenagers who emphasis "him," meaning the boy that dumped her because he has the attention span of a SQUIRREL!
 
I probably shouldn't even dignify this with a response, but here goes.

In the second post of this thread you wrote the following:

is he/she the stereotypical pseudo-intellectual self-righteous douche athiest ...

Now let's be clear here, that's a lot of judgments we've already thrown around about athiests.

Chad asked for some clarification as to why you applied all of those adjectives to athiests and asked for a way to distinguish athiests from other belief systems in how they apply to those qualities. You had already responded to him once by repeating the same series of epithets in combination with athiests.Personally, I thought he was taking you a bit too seriously given that your rhetoric was obviously overblown, so I stepped in when he asked for elaboration a second time.

I've been 15 before. I remember speaking that way because having overly strong opinions is impressive to your peers. I get it. But if Chad had known who he was talking to (I suspect, he can correct me if I'm wrong) he wouldn't have asked for clarification because he would have seen it for what it was. You see, Chad's been 15 before too. That's why I wrote that you didn't actually mean anything (after all, your stream was just a bunch of nonsense words when thrown together in that combination) and that you said it because it impresses your "idiot friends." Now that may have been too harsh. I don't really know any of your friends. I have no ability to determine which ones are idiots and which ones aren't (although I'd be stunned if you didn't think some of them were idiots too). What I was really going for was that "this kind of rhetoric is a product of his age, and the usual audience is a bunch of other people his age. You wouldn't take demographic and social commentary seriously from a 15 year old under any other circumstance, because they usually don't know anything, and this isn't the time to start." Hence my final point. "Just ignore him."

If I am guilty of slandering all 15 year olds everywhere for being less knowledgable than the adults so be it. I'll cop to it. I'll even assert the defense of truth. If any of your friends read that statement and are convinced that I'm speaking about them personally I'll be happy to speak with them about it.

Your statements are of a very different kind. They are obviously applicable to a specific person who has had her picture posted across the board several times. A person that also reads the board and is aware of statements that you are making about her, a fact that I made you aware of in the hopes that you would have a better understanding as to why your escalation was inappropriate and hurtful to another person who has never engaged you.

The assertion that it's somehow my fault that you would call a third person ugly and fat is ridiculous. You are your own person. Those are your words. That's who you are, silly colors, fonts and repeated punctuation marks included.
 
Sirkickyass said:
I probably shouldn't even dignify this with a response, but here goes.

In the second post of this thread you wrote the following:

is he/she the stereotypical pseudo-intellectual self-righteous douche athiest ...
Now let's be clear here, that's a lot of judgments we've already thrown around about athiests.

Judgements I threw around about athiests I wouldn't vote for, a broad group And I even threw in "stereotypical" to imply that I didn't see all athiests this way and was trying to describe a type of person.

Chad asked for some clarification as to why you applied all of those adjectives to athiests and asked for a way to distinguish athiests from other belief systems in how they apply to those qualities. You had already responded to him once by repeating the same series of epithets in combination with athiests.Personally, I thought he was taking you a bit too seriously given that your rhetoric was obviously overblown, so I stepped in when he asked for elaboration a second time.

So you ACTUALLY in fact insulted me PERSONALLY by inferring that I should not be taken seriously. Hmmm, interesting considering that to this point I had said nothing about ANY specific people.

Sirkickyass said:
I've been 15 before. I remember speaking that way because having overly strong opinions is impressive to your peers. I get it. But if Chad had known who he was talking to (I suspect, he can correct me if I'm wrong) he wouldn't have asked for clarification because he would have seen it for what it was. You see, Chad's been 15 before too. That's why I wrote that you didn't actually mean anything (after all, your stream was just a bunch of nonsense words when thrown together in that combination) and that you said it because it impresses your "idiot friends." Now that may have been too harsh. I don't really know any of your friends. I have no ability to determine which ones are idiots and which ones aren't (although I'd be stunned if you didn't think some of them were idiots too). What I was really going for was that "this kind of rhetoric is a product of his age, and the usual audience is a bunch of other people his age. You wouldn't take demographic and social commentary seriously from a 15 year old under any other circumstance, because they usually don't know anything, and this isn't the time to start." Hence my final point. "Just ignore him."

I don't really know any of the people you have settled for. I have no ability to determine which ones are fat and which ones are ugly (although I'd be stunned if you didn't think some of them were fat and ugly too). What I was really going for was that "this kind of rhetoric is a product of his inability to obtain attractive females, and the usual audience is a bunch of fat and ugly women. You wouldn't take disparaging remarks seriously from a guy like that under any other circumstance, because they usually are ornery and pissed at the world, and this isn't the time to start." Hence my final point. "Just ignore him."

Sirkickyass said:
If I am guilty of slandering all 15 year olds everywhere for being less knowledgable than the adults so be it. I'll cop to it. I'll even assert the defense of truth. If any of your friends read that statement and are convinced that I'm speaking about them personally I'll be happy to speak with them about it.

I do not know what the people you date look like. Thereofre I do not know if I can assert the defense of truth. If any of them read that statement and are convinced that I'm speaking about them personally I'll be happy to speak with them about it. (Unless they're fay and ugly)

Sirkickyass said:
Your statements are of a very different kind. They are obviously applicable to a specific person

No they're not. I stated a group of people, just like you.

Sirkickyass said:
who has had her picture posted across the board several times. A person that also reads the board and is aware of statements that you are making about her, a fact that I made you aware of in the hopes that you would have a better understanding as to why your escalation was inappropriate and hurtful to another person who has never engaged you.

I've never seen a picture of her, but if you're posting pictures of your girl friend on the internet, that's a little weird. You don't know who else is reading this board either or if any of my freinds are who you called "idiots." You KNEW FOR A FACT I read the boards but thought it was OK to insult me.

Sirkickyass said:
The assertion that it's somehow my fault that you would call a third person ugly and fat is ridiculous. You are your own person. Those are your words. That's who you are, silly colors, fonts and repeated punctuation marks included.

I never said it was your fault I said it. I said it's your fault if she was insulted. In the end, we BOTH made statements about GROUPS of people we know nothing about. It would be pretty pathetic if any of those people were offended by those comments or found them insulting considering the sources and circumstances. My initial offer to your request for an apology still stands. You apologize to me and I will apologize to you. Prove me wrong about your maturity level.
 
In conclusion if you don't want bad things said about you you probably shouldnt say bad things about other people. ESPECIALLY WHEN THE PERSON HAS NOT EVEN ATTAMPTED TO CONVERSE WITH YOU...........EVER!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Yes. And as an athiest(or a far left agnostic hehe) I would have no problem voting for a mormon if I thought they were right for the job. And that goes for all religions. If I have problems with a candidates religion it would be because they're right wing on social issues and use their religion as a crutch = Newt Gringrich.
 
It's obvious this is a waste of time so I'm not going line by line, just hitting a couple key points.

So you ACTUALLY in fact insulted me PERSONALLY by inferring that I should not be taken seriously.

Yes. I believe you should not be taken seriously.

Guilty.

I've never seen a picture of her, but if you're posting pictures of your girl friend on the internet, that's a little weird.

She was outed on this board by television screen caps and Utah_Jazz twitter feed posts. Such is the price of great seats.


I never said it was your fault I said it. I said it's your fault if she was insulted.

You're an independent agent. This is the same thing as claiming that this is really all your mother's fault because without her you'd never have been born. Only you control your actions.

In conclusion if you don't want bad things said about you you probably shouldnt say bad things about other people.

You seem to not understand the scope of the issue here. In fact I've never protested a single thing you've said about me. I'm talking about a third person entirely.
 
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In conclusion if you don't want bad things said about you you probably shouldnt say bad things about other people.

I'm going to go ahead and agree with with you here. I think your statement is 100% correct.

Of course, you also have the option of taking the high road.

And by you, I mean everybody.

(yeah, me too.)
 
SirKkickyass said:
You seem to not understand the scope of the issue here. In fact I've never protested a single thing you've said about me. I'm talking about a third person entirely.

Please post where I said said anything about a specific third person? I mentioned a GROUP of people just like you did!!!! You insulted intelligence while I insulted physical appearance(both of people neither of us know!!!!!), why is that SOOOO different?
 
Isn't it spelled ATHEIST? I've noticed it misspelled by at least TWO posters.

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JohnStockalypse said:
So you ACTUALLY in fact insulted me PERSONALLY by inferring that I should not be taken seriously.

Yes. I believe you should not be taken seriously.

Don't take it personally, Kicky doesn't take me seriously either and I'm more than twice your age. The thing about Kicky you need to remember is that he takes himself way too seriously.
 
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