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Wow. Cougar fans aren't going to like this......

If Utah were really not scared about playing BYU and that much better of a team, they would agree to play an extra road game that year and play at the Y. They could (and would) make up the revenue by scheduling an extra home game the next year, just keep Weber State, (the Big Sky powerhouse) on your schedule. That should do it.

Wait didn't you just play northern Iowa or some such school like that? At least Weber is from around here. And has a head coach that was at the U. What was BYU's excuse for Northern Illinois or whomever? Needed a guaranteed win and were afraid McBride would beat you? Again.
 
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Haha, Utah fans are so lame. "they [BYU] should feel honored to get a game against a team in a real conference."

I just told Mrs. Trout that quote and I thought she was going to die laughing. I asked her, "Do you think they're just trying to get my goat, or are they serious...?" She was like, "Oh, they're serious." and went on to tell me about some fart box she knows who wrote up a full blog page on what a great day in history it was when the Utes got into a "Real Conference".

There aren't enough adjectives in the English language to describe how ludicrous the Utah fan base is.

Ummm, I think he posted that just to get the ire up from some BYU fans and you were the first to jump all over it. Congrats.

You can say how "ludicrous" the Utah fan base is but that's a broad based assumption that simply is not true. I don't think Utah should ever feel above scheduling BYU, even if the Cougs spend the rest of time in the MWC (I happen to think they're Big 12 bound before too long anyway).

Is the move to the new Pac 12 going to elevate Utah's program over BYU's? I think intelligent fans on both sides would have to agree that will be the case. BYU will be pulling in around $1.5 million per year until 2016 with the current MWC TV deal. Reports came out yesterday that the new Pac 12 TV deal will pay each team around $14.5 million per season. Not to mention that Utah will be sharing in BCS money every single season. Utah is simply going to have more resources than BYU and it will be ten-fold. Again, that's assuming BYU doens't make the jump to the Big 12.

However, even in the MWC, BYU is unique enough to survive and keep their program fairly close to Utah's. Not only that, I believe during the rivalry games (which will survive and thrive), the two schools will be close enough in talent that it will still be a hotly contested rivalry with plenty of close games.

Utah will win some recruiting wars that they simply haven't won in the past. I saw Harvy Unga used as an example in here the other day, and I completely agree. That's the exact type of player that BYU is going to find harder and harder to hold on to. Not saying they won't win that battle every once and a while, but the Utes are certainly in a better position at this point.

For the most part, I think the move to the Pac 10 has brought out the extremists on boths sides. Fact is, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. If BYU was going to the Pac 10 instead of Utah, I would have the same expectations for the Cougs as I do the Utes because both programs are much closer than any of the fans would like to admit. I could see BYU stepping into the Pac 10 and doing well right away. I would expect them to compete in the top 4 or 5 in the conference most, if not every year and every 3 to 4 years I would expect them to make a serious run at the conference title which obviously means a potential trip to the Rose Bowl.

I have the exact same expectations for Utah. I certainly don't expect them to become Pete Carroll's Trojans. It seems like Cougar fans like implying that's what most of us Utah fans are expecting, when in fact I'd say about 90% have very reasonable expectations.

And to the guy who said Utah shouldn't be afraid to play in Provo next year even if it means Utah playing an extra road game, that's insane. Utah is not going to play 7 road games and 5 home games just to accomodate BYU, or any other school for that matter. Plus, Utah is not attempting to "duck" BYU. Obviously, when Utah made the 2011 schedule, they didnt' assume they'd be in the Pac 10. They won't be getting out of the Boise or Pitt games, so we all just have to face reality on that. I'm sure Utah will make every effort to schedule a non-conference game with BYU in SLC. I honestly think it's in BYU's hand whether the game is played or not. However, I expect that BYU would sign on to play they game. They'd have a lot to gain by playing that game, and not much to lose if you ask me.
 
Wait isn't that the same Utah St. that the Y thought they're too good to play every year and also was making them go to Provo 2x for every 1x game up in Ogden?

The difference is that we consistently thump you guys(Utah). Utah State hasn't beat BYU since 1993. Rivalries don't exist between teams when one team just gets thumped every time. I don't think BYU is too good for Utah State, but they don't mean anything to BYU fans. I think it's a waste to schedule Utah State as one of 12 games, but BYU seems to have changed their position. The basketball games are fun though.
 
I just want everyone to start getting it right and call it the 12-PAC. Maybe a 12-PAC of Utah Highlife.
 
Like I said, Utah fans will be too snobby.

Saying Utah will not play BYU because they'll be snobby is ridiculous. Just cause they will be in different conferences and one being in a BCS and the other not, does not mean they will not play each other. There will still be a ton of money and publicity from each game they play. It will help both Provo and Salt Lake City. There are no cons about it other than one team losing. The rivalry will continue to live on.
 
For the record, I'm really rooting for BYU to get into the Big 12. That would make Utah the hotbed for College football IMO. Seriously, who would have it better than us? I can't think of two other power conferences that would share such a proximity to each other. Utah in the Pac 12 and BYU in the Big 12 is nothing but a win/win for each and every football fan in this state. However, Chip Brown just threw out this tweet and it doesn't seem so promising. Hope he's wrong:

Chip Brown, the former Texas beat writer who broke most of the news the last few weeks regarding conference realignment and expansion -- especially regarding Big 12 schools eventually staying put instead of going to the Pac-10 -- just threw out a tweet that surely won’t be seen as a positive by BYU fans.
“Lot of speculation about BYU talking to the B12, but sources tell www.Orangebloods.com it's not happening,” Brown tweeted.

And in another note, Utah just got a RB from Texas to committ. I guess he was choosing between Utah, Arizona St. and Oregon St. Did the Pac 10 invite sway him towards Utah? Hard to say, but Utah did just beat out two other Pac 10 schools to get him.
 
And in another note, Utah just got a RB from Texas to committ. I guess he was choosing between Utah, Arizona St. and Oregon St. Did the Pac 10 invite sway him towards Utah? Hard to say, but Utah did just beat out two other Pac 10 schools to get him.
Michigan is also on that list of teams he was considering. You can bet your bottom dollar Utah being in the PAC next year was at least a factor that he considered.
 
I hope BYU does go to the Big12. A better conference all around, IMO.
But, regardless, if the Cougars stay in the MWC they will get a shot at Utah every other year or so at least anyway. 4th or 5th place team in the Pac10/12 goes to Vegas Bowl to play the MWC champion. That will be Utah and BYU most years. I know I have said this many times, but it well worth saying again since it pisses off unrealistic Ute fans who seriously think they will compete for championships in their "real" conference.
Also could be said realistically that the Top 3 teams in the MWC will be as good or better than the top 3 in the PACsomething just as they were the last few years. The Boise St for Utah trade isnt a drop off Football wise for the MWC.
 
I hate Marcus and Raspberry Delight.

(now give me some rep points for being so frank).

I hate you. You are the reason that this rivalry will never end because I choose to root against BYU just so I can quickly get under the skin of obnoxious asses like you. die.

When I heard the news of Utah joining the PAC the first image to pop into my head was an enormous hand flipping the bird, rising up from SLC, visible to the lowly utah-county folk. This is the biggest victory in the 100+ years of the rivalry and it is fun as hell to rub your faces in it.
 
I hate Marcus and Raspberry Delight.

(now give me some rep points for being so frank).

I hate you. You are the reason that this rivalry will never end because I choose to root against BYU just so I can quickly get under the skin of obnoxious asses like you. die.

When I heard the news of Utah joining the PAC the first image to pop into my head was an enormous hand flipping the bird, rising up from SLC, visible to the lowly utah-county folk. This is the biggest victory in the 100+ years of the rivalry and it is fun as hell to rub your faces in it.

LOL I'm not even a BYU fan. If you look back at my posts I say nasty things about BYU fans as well. I'm trying to figure out what is obnoxious about anything I wrote. Certainly nothing as obxoxious as your post quoted above.
 
I hate Marcus and Raspberry Delight.

(now give me some rep points for being so frank).

I hate you. You are the reason that this rivalry will never end because I choose to root against BYU just so I can quickly get under the skin of obnoxious asses like you. die.

When I heard the news of Utah joining the PAC the first image to pop into my head was an enormous hand flipping the bird, rising up from SLC, visible to the lowly utah-county folk. This is the biggest victory in the 100+ years of the rivalry and it is fun as hell to rub your faces in it.

I am down with the frankness and anger. This is my kind of fan. I'm willing to bet that NAOS has the balls to bet on the BYU/Utah game and give me points, because he's clearly a real fan.

So, what say you, NAOS, wanna lose some money?
 
The difference is that we consistently thump you guys(Utah).

BYU has in fact won 3 of the last 4 games against Utah.

However...

Utah has won 5 of the past 8 and 10 of the past 17 games against BYU.

Maybe your definition of "consistently thump" is different than mine. The last time BYU beat Utah by more than a touchdown was 1996. The last time Utah thumped BYU? 2008.

As far as MWC championships go, Utah has won three and tied for another. BYU has won three and tied for another.

You have to go back almost 20 years to find a time when BYU consistently was better than Utah in football.
 
I hope BYU does go to the Big12. A better conference all around, IMO. But, regardless, if the Cougars stay in the MWC they will get a shot at Utah every other year or so at least anyway. 4th or 5th place team in the Pac10/12 goes to Vegas Bowl to play the MWC champion. That will be Utah and BYU most years.

Hmm... this is assuming that BYU beats out Boise St. AND TCU most years and gets to play in the Vegas Bowl. Of course, even if BYU comes in second, that still leaves them with an opportunity to play in the Poinsetta bowl against the Pac 10 #6... which could be Utah in a (very) down year.

And though it's fun to poke fun at BYU for not getting invited to the "adults table", I think it would also be fun to see them get invited to the Big 12 just to see Boise's reaction as they realized they left the WAC for WAC v.2.0
 
I am down with the frankness and anger. This is my kind of fan. I'm willing to bet that NAOS has the balls to bet on the BYU/Utah game and give me points, because he's clearly a real fan.

So, what say you, NAOS, wanna lose some money?

Money is boring.
If I win, then you have to video yourself and your wife taking big hits off of a beer bong... 2 each, in alternating order. Then you have to post it on youtube and then post a link on this board.

If you win, I'll shave my face, buy a short-sleeved, wrinkle-free, button-down collared shirt and a boring-*** tie, put that together with a suit that fits me like ****, and go to a Mormon church service. I'll also post a video.
 
4th or 5th place team in the Pac10/12 goes to Vegas Bowl to play the MWC champion. That will be Utah and BYU most years. I know I have said this many times, but it well worth saying again since it pisses off unrealistic Ute fans who seriously think they will compete for championships in their "real" conference.

I keep hearing how Utah will be 4th or 5th place in the PAC 10, but nobody seems to want to actually expand on it. So who are the other 3-4 teams that Utah has no chance against?

The fact of the matter is, Utah is good enough to compete with anyone in the PAC 10, right now. How the landscape will look come 2011... who knows? But the argument that Utah is no better than 4th in that league (at the moment) is just sour grapes.

Look, I've said this before - if BYU or TCU were in Utah's position, I would feel the same way about them. Any of them has a pretty good chance in that league. Utah just happens to be the one. So if you don't agree, that's fine. But I would be interested to hear why.
 
We also need to get past this BYU fan-fed delusional idea that Utah's accomlishments don't merit an invite to the Pac 10 (at least when compared with BYU's). Granted, I'll be the first to admit that if BYU did not have the religious tag and Sunday play attatched to it, they would have been invited before Utah. They have a much bigger fan base nation wide. However, the only reason they have that nation wide fan base is the religious affiliation, so you obviously cannot have one without the other.

In regards to who's "earned" it more, I think the clear choice is Utah. If we look at MWC history (since 1999), Utah has won 6 out of 11 in the rivalry and the two schools have the exact same amount of MWC Titles. However, Utah has busted the BCS twice, won both games and has a much, much better bowl record than BYU during that time.

If you want to go back as far the WAC years, obviously BYU gets the edge, but the Pac 10 isn't concerned about the WAC years and why should they? That was a bad conference with bad teams that BYU easily dominated. Utah hadn't arrived yet as a program, leaving BYU largely uncontested.

Yes, if you'd like to go back to 1984 I'm sure you could do that, but then again you come across looking like Uncle Rico. Live in the now. In the current climate, Utah has been the better program with the signature wins. Don't like it? Go win a BCS game or 2.
 
We also need to get past this BYU fan-fed delusional idea that Utah's accomlishments don't merit an invite to the Pac 10 (at least when compared with BYU's). Granted, I'll be the first to admit that if BYU did not have the religious tag and Sunday play attatched to it, they would have been invited before Utah. They have a much bigger fan base nation wide. However, the only reason they have that nation wide fan base is the religious affiliation, so you obviously cannot have one without the other.

In regards to who's "earned" it more, I think the clear choice is Utah. If we look at MWC history (since 1999), Utah has won 6 out of 11 in the rivalry and the two schools have the exact same amount of MWC Titles. However, Utah has busted the BCS twice, won both games and has a much, much better bowl record than BYU during that time.

If you want to go back as far the WAC years, obviously BYU gets the edge, but the Pac 10 isn't concerned about the WAC years and why should they? That was a bad conference with bad teams that BYU easily dominated. Utah hadn't arrived yet as a program, leaving BYU largely uncontested.

Yes, if you'd like to go back to 1984 I'm sure you could do that, but then again you come across looking like Uncle Rico. Live in the now. In the current climate, Utah has been the better program with the signature wins. Don't like it? Go win a BCS game or 2.

Good post, but I do want to point out that nobdy in this thread has brought up 1984. I have mentioned it once after some moron brought up the BCS games as if a third place finish is grounds for bragging. I don't get how you can accuse us of living in the past, and yet bring up your BSC games from a few years ago -- isn't that pretty much the same thing? Let's be relevant if we're going to be relevant: Utah lost to BYU last year, so we're 1 up.
 
Good post, but I do want to point out that nobdy in this thread has brought up 1984. I have mentioned it once after some moron brought up the BCS games as if a third place finish is grounds for bragging. I don't get how you can accuse us of living in the past, and yet bring up your BSC games from a few years ago -- isn't that pretty much the same thing? Let's be relevant if we're going to be relevant: Utah lost to BYU last year, so we're 1 up.
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#1: We took second. See the link:
https://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/poll/1/year/2008/week/1/seasontype/3

#2: 2 BCS bowl victories, and 2 undefeated seasons, both in the last 6 years with the most recent being 2 years ago, is way more relevant than an undefeated season (in which no good teams were on the schedule) over 25 years ago, with nothing done since then.

#3: Our current coach, and many of our current players, were part of the last BCS win. It is still the same program. The BYU championship was a totally different program with all of the coaches and players being replaced.
 
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