Wow. Cougar fans aren't going to like this......

[CONAN]

I hate Marcus and Raspberry Delight.

(now give me some rep points for being so frank).

I hate you. You are the reason that this rivalry will never end because I choose to root against BYU just so I can quickly get under the skin of obnoxious asses like you. die.

When I heard the news of Utah joining the PAC the first image to pop into my head was an enormous hand flipping the bird, rising up from SLC, visible to the lowly utah-county folk. This is the biggest victory in the 100+ years of the rivalry and it is fun as hell to rub your faces in it.

I love it when Ute fans go on tilt.

 

[UGLI baby]

 

[UGLI baby]

 

[Stifle Tower]

When talk of Utah going to the PAC very first started I predicted a death to the rivalry. Within a decade it will be all but dead. Book it.

Hard to call it a rivalry when one team is clearly superior.

BYU and Ute fans please discuss.

 

[Stifle Tower]

We also need to get past this BYU fan-fed delusional idea that Utah's accomlishments don't merit an invite to the Pac 10 (at least when compared with BYU's). Granted, I'll be the first to admit that if BYU did not have the religious tag and Sunday play attatched to it, they would have been invited before Utah. They have a much bigger fan base nation wide. However, the only reason they have that nation wide fan base is the religious affiliation, so you obviously cannot have one without the other.

In regards to who's "earned" it more, I think the clear choice is Utah. If we look at MWC history (since 1999), Utah has won 6 out of 11 in the rivalry and the two schools have the exact same amount of MWC Titles. However, Utah has busted the BCS twice, won both games and has a much, much better bowl record than BYU during that time.

If you want to go back as far the WAC years, obviously BYU gets the edge, but the Pac 10 isn't concerned about the WAC years and why should they? That was a bad conference with bad teams that BYU easily dominated. Utah hadn't arrived yet as a program, leaving BYU largely uncontested.

Yes, if you'd like to go back to 1984 I'm sure you could do that, but then again you come across looking like Uncle Rico. Live in the now. In the current climate, Utah has been the better program with the signature wins. Don't like it? Go win a BCS game or 2.

Very good points. Also keep in mind the Pac-Whatever looks for "research institutes." While BYU places very high in terms of their Accounting and pre-Law programs (and probably a few more), their overall academics are not up to the standards required by the Pac-10.

The money is going to be great for the UofU, although let's hope their football program reaches loftier heights than those attained by ASU and Arizona after they left the WAC (although UofA has done very well in basketball).

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Are you sticking with this prediction?

I was mocking Utah fans....... so no. I do think they end up there eventually though.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I was mocking Utah fans....... so no. I do think they end up there eventually though.

Oh, gotcha.

I think BYU will have to reconsider playing on Sundays before any major conference (Big 12 included) will consider them. Whether anyone thinks it will actually be a scheduling problem or not doesn't matter. What matters is the big fat tv contracts that seem to be the most important thing in college sports anymore. And any network negotiating a tv contract is absolutely going to balk at BYU not playing on Sundays. If the biggest event in sports history comes up in 7 or 10 years or whatever, and it happens to be on a Sunday, they are not going to want any issues from BYU.

Even if you don't think it's possible, there is no way they agree to a billion dollar contract with that possibility.

Say there is a hurricane or earthquake or ssomething that delays the conference championship game and other pre scheduled events force the game to be played on Sunday. The network won't want to miss the return on its investment just because BYU won't play on Sunday.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Good post, but I do want to point out that nobdy in this thread has brought up 1984. I have mentioned it once after some moron brought up the BCS games as if a third place finish is grounds for bragging. I don't get how you can accuse us of living in the past, and yet bring up your BSC games from a few years ago -- isn't that pretty much the same thing? Let's be relevant if we're going to be relevant: Utah lost to BYU last year, so we're 1 up.

I agree with you on the 1984 issue. It hasn't come up alot in here. However, I've heard it a ton on the radio by the yahoos that are calling in. Perhaps I should have clarified, my bad.

As far as pointing out Utah's recent success, I don't think it's the exact same as living back in 1984 but I do think it is a fine line. Salty made a good point: This current Utah team has the same HC and some players left over from their last BCS victory, so It's not as if we are completely removed from it. Also, I think when you talk about "recent history" of a program it's probably fair to go back over the last 10-to-12 years, but nothing more. If I'm still bringing up the Sugar Bowl Victory over Alabama 25 years from now, please feel free to find me and kick me in the nuts. I would deserve it.

I think why the two BCS wins are so relevant right now is the money issue. When looking at Utah, the Pac 10 was looking at a school that brought in around $40 million of revenue to the MWC with those two appearances. Utah has made it to the big stage twice in recent years, and performed as well as anybody once they got there. I think that had a lot to do with the Pac 10 choosing Utah as "plan b" once the mega conference dream was shattered.

As I said before, BYU still has some things going for it that Utah doesn't but in the end, Utah does more than just hold it's own in football (the biggest factor) and there's just noway that BYU gets chosen with all the religious dogma that is out there.

While I'd like to see BYU in the Big 12, I think they may run into the same thing. Is the Big 12 going to abandon Sunday play just to appease BYU? I think not. In the end, I think BYU and it's fans should embrace the idea of going independant. It allows BYU to custom build a schedule each and every year that could be as good or better than anybody's in the nation and it allows them to go forward without comprimising on any of the issues that make BYU what it is. Plus, they wouldn't have a hard time forming their very own TV network, not to mention the fact that they'd get to keep all revenue to themselves as opposed to sharing it with a conference.

And who knows, maybe, just maybe we could see a BYU-Utah national championship game a few years from now. While that's obviously a long shot, a guy can dream...........

 

[Shaggy]

BYU-UTAH could play the 2011 game in the Rose Bowl? Jerryland? Laramie? Logan?

 

[default]

Dang, I was hoping this was a thread about hot older women.

 

[TroutBum]

Jazzman12 is about the most solid Utah poster I've ever come across. That isn't saying much, but there you go.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Jazzman12 is about the most solid Utah poster I've ever come across. That isn't saying much, but there you go.

Awww shucks.

 

[gregbroncs]

Good post, but I do want to point out that nobdy in this thread has brought up 1984. I have mentioned it once after some moron brought up the BCS games as if a third place finish is grounds for bragging. I don't get how you can accuse us of living in the past, and yet bring up your BSC games from a few years ago -- isn't that pretty much the same thing? Let's be relevant if we're going to be relevant: Utah lost to BYU last year, so we're 1 up.

Stop living in the past last years game is ancient history. LOL

How far do you want to take it. I'll give you 84 Utah is still up on BYU because they have 2 undefeated season's and accomplished the highest merit allowed in the current climate of football. Not to mention the 84 season happened without BYU beating a single good opponent.

 

[CONAN]

Very good points. Also keep in mind the Pac-Whatever looks for "research institutes." While BYU places very high in terms of their Accounting and pre-Law programs (and probably a few more), their overall academics are not up to the standards required by the Pac-10.

Don't fool yourself people. It's never been about that and it never will be. Heck, there are Pac-10 teams now that don't qualify as a research institute.

 

[CONAN]

they have 2 undefeated season's and accomplished the highest merit allowed in the current climate of football.

Agreed. Isn't this statement word for word on a trophy somewhere on Utah campus? If it isn't it should be.

 

[gregbroncs]

Don't fool yourself people. It's never been about that and it never will be. Heck, there are Pac-10 teams now that don't qualify as a research institute.

Really which ones exactly? This was an issue whether you want to admit it or not.

 

[CONAN]

Really which ones exactly? This was an issue whether you want to admit it or not.

ASU, OSU, and WSU. Do some research, Son.

Sunday play, too conservative for the PAC-10, Prop 8? OK, I'll buy that as a reason and those are huge factors whether you want to admit it or not. But not a research university? Riiiight.

 

[gregbroncs]

ASU, OSU, and WSU. Do some research, Son.

Sunday play, too conservative for the PAC-10, Prop 8? OK, I'll buy that as a reason and those are huge factors whether you want to admit it or not. But not a research university? Riiiight.

Wow you can name 3 schools in the pac 10. Where is your backup to these examples? You made a statement, back it up.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Conan's right. Sunday play, too conservative and Prop 8 were all major reasons BYU wasn't considered.

However, he forgot to add BYU's inability to carry a BCS run past week 4 as another major flaw in their resume.

 

[CONAN]

Keep in mind BYU's tuition discrimination also plays a huge part.