WOW hornets......3yrs 27million Lance Stephenson! wowowoowowoww so mad right now.
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miller family would never want someone like stephenson. unless they want to get hot at bed time 
Then why don't they play for the minimum if winning is so important? Why not for free? The owners took the players to the woodshed in the last CBA and now they want players to take even less? Sorry but that's BS.
Also, how about the stellar NBA careers of each? LOL
Hahaha so true! What idiots the rest of the league was for not taking those hidden misunderstood gems?!?
bozmansblues
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Aren't the real and relevant points as follows:
1. Lance and GH were both FA's;
2. Both were fishing for the most money they could get;
3. Another team thought GH was worth the max and offered it to him.
4. The best Lance could get was 9 mill a year.
5. The market has rated Lance a 9 mill a year player and GH a 15 mill a year player;
6. I think we all agree that there is not a 6 mill a year difference in the quality of player between Lance and GH.
7. However, there are obviously other factors at play in the market which have resulted in the above difference. I think it is safe to assume, that the market did not want to touch Lance, not only the jazz, but it must have been most of the nba. Accordingly, most of the nba has rated Lance as a huge risk/cancer and therefore were not willing to pay the money Lance would have received had he not had such characteristics.
8. The conclusion has to be that there was low demand for Lance, and therefore he only got 9 mill a year.
9. For whatever reason, the experts in the NBA had demand for GH and therefore the market put him at 15 mill a year.
10. Lastly, I don't think you can compare these two deals because, based on the above, it is clear that the majority of the nba put huge risk on Lance's character.
1. Lance and GH were both FA's;
2. Both were fishing for the most money they could get;
3. Another team thought GH was worth the max and offered it to him.
4. The best Lance could get was 9 mill a year.
5. The market has rated Lance a 9 mill a year player and GH a 15 mill a year player;
6. I think we all agree that there is not a 6 mill a year difference in the quality of player between Lance and GH.
7. However, there are obviously other factors at play in the market which have resulted in the above difference. I think it is safe to assume, that the market did not want to touch Lance, not only the jazz, but it must have been most of the nba. Accordingly, most of the nba has rated Lance as a huge risk/cancer and therefore were not willing to pay the money Lance would have received had he not had such characteristics.
8. The conclusion has to be that there was low demand for Lance, and therefore he only got 9 mill a year.
9. For whatever reason, the experts in the NBA had demand for GH and therefore the market put him at 15 mill a year.
10. Lastly, I don't think you can compare these two deals because, based on the above, it is clear that the majority of the nba put huge risk on Lance's character.
Why only take the extreme cases? Do you only see black and white?
c'mon man you're better than that. (i think)
My hyperbole was only to show that money is still the major factor involved.
Look, I just don't have a problem with players trying to get paid. The average NBA career is short.
Hmmm..Didn't he trade for Brandon Rush? How long has Dennis Lindsey been here anyway?
Brandon Rush has been arrested for possession of Marijuana at least twice
Failed league drug policy at least 3 times
Arrested for unpaid traffic tickets
Involved in a fight
These are the things I know about and I am sure there probably is more. This is one I forgot to put on the list.
LOL .. BRO, of course money is a major factor. Why do you think they're playing????? Purely for the love of the game?????
What we're saying is there is a difference between the way Favors & Hayward value MONEY and TEAM. It's apparent that Favors values TEAM as well as MONEY while Hayward is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$
And he figured that Rush will be rehabbing most of the time hence he won't be 100% part of the team. Also recent good behaviour has to be taken into account as well.
Read it and weep bro. There are players like this in the league still...
Favors is the same. He could have easily gotten MAX this year, but he extended at a lower level last year and he's well involved with our young guys this year going to SL, etc. These players do exist.
Fans I been hearing since 1982 just like you continually say the Jazz won't bring in people with character issues, I am showing the Jazz continually bring in people with character issues. If the Jazz feel its worth the risk they will bring them in, if it doesn't work they will just get rid of them. I can show proof and links to back up my statements. Brandon Rush has had problems that span more than 6 years which would indicate a person that has not learned by his mistakes. What do you have??? Where is your proof that Dennis Lindsey won't bring someone in that has character issues?
It also really amazes me how some people here knows who will play in Utah and who won't. Where are the links that say they won't play in Utah??? Whenever we don't sign somebody in free agency I always hear "he wouldn't play here anyway" but no links are provided. I realize Utah is not the top choice for some free agents but to say it without knowing or just guessing is asinine. Most players want paid, some players prefer to play in small markets and don't want all the attention. With that said I will support the team and Hayward even though I thought matching was stupid. I would much rather have two players like Trevor Ariza and Lance Stephenson than Hayward and Murphy for about the same price. I am not saying we could have got them but just using that as an example.
It also really amazes me how some people here knows who will play in Utah and who won't. Where are the links that say they won't play in Utah??? Whenever we don't sign somebody in free agency I always hear "he wouldn't play here anyway" but no links are provided. I realize Utah is not the top choice for some free agents but to say it without knowing or just guessing is asinine. Most players want paid, some players prefer to play in small markets and don't want all the attention. With that said I will support the team and Hayward even though I thought matching was stupid. I would much rather have two players like Trevor Ariza and Lance Stephenson than Hayward and Murphy for about the same price. I am not saying we could have got them but just using that as an example.
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Damn, Charlotte playoff bound for real now.
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And then the owner amnestied mike miller to sabe on luxury tax... Those guys were all on their second big deals and had decent endorsement money as well.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait.... You tellin me that favors and his agent said we know we can get the max next year but we are team players so we'll take less.
That ain't how it went down at all. They took less because they took less risk. If they'd have offered max last year favors woulda signed that deal so fast...
And you know this how???? Were you in the room????
We're all just speculating, but in my opinion Favors said to himself "I love this city, i love this team, I don't want to **** it for all it's worth, $12m (each year) is plenty for me and I'm happy to sign".
Jamezz
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Yes, thank you. This is the main difference I see between one player and the other. I cringe when I hear people congratulating Hayward for getting the MAX.
I also say 'gratz Hayward, you have shown your skills when it comes to negotiating a contract, now show your skills living up to it in the basketball court'. I think he's put a lot of unnecessary pressure on himself.
