Taking frank over jw will go down as all time dumb. Solidify mj in his position as all time worst exec. Overtaking his old rival isiah.
WOW - Trading into the Top Ten picks was CRAZY dificult
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Taking frank over jw will go down as all time dumb. Solidify mj in his position as all time worst exec. Overtaking his old rival isiah.
Maneesh
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Right? I think these GM's are insane and they look at it as a top 10 pick rather than the player they get and lose their mind! when you say it like that 4 first round and 2 second for Frank you have to say? Whaaaaa?
Maneesh
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I would have and the reason is Jazz will likely not be near to a player of winslows caliber for a long time I think. Burke, 12, okc and GS.
Chris
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MJ needs to see how many awful decisions he's made with his GM hat on and let Rich Cho do his job unencumbered. There's a chance that's already happening (who really knows?) but I wonder if his titanic ego would ever make that possible. When will owners let their people do their jobs? I mean, give them enough rope to hang themselves, and if they do, get a better GM.
If Charlotte turned down four 1st round picks for Frank... WOW.
Would be interesting to know who offered us two future 1st-rounders. If it's a solid playoff team then it's not a deal to be done - or if they were protected picks that were too protected.
I'm going to exhale and wait to see what Lyles does - as a fan, gonna hold DL accountable though. Hoping for Pleiss or a signing for a solid backup C.
Would be interesting to know who offered us two future 1st-rounders. If it's a solid playoff team then it's not a deal to be done - or if they were protected picks that were too protected.
I'm going to exhale and wait to see what Lyles does - as a fan, gonna hold DL accountable though. Hoping for Pleiss or a signing for a solid backup C.
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Lots of people talking **** about Charlotte being dumb here (and I agree) but it says in the op that teams 4-9 would not accept trade offers from Boston. So it wasn't just Charlotte
I'm sure i don't have a clue, but if I was a GM in Fantasy Land and was convinced that 1. Charlotte was locked in on Kaminsky. 2. Miami was taking Payne, Booker, or Oubre (Payne according to DX) and 3. Indiana was taking Turner, I would have called Miami and Indiana and offered 2nd round picks to get them to lay off Kaminsky. If they said no, all bets would be off, but if neither team really wanted Kaminsky maybe they take the 2nd round picks. Then I call Charlotte and try to make a deal knowing I can guarantee Kaminsky will be there at 12.
That would be insane, a 4 way draft day trade. Jazz from 12 to 9, Charlotte 9 to 10, Miami 10-11 and Indiana 11-12. DL would surpass God with this type of trade.
I'll give Denver a break as they badly needed a PG since Lawson hates Denver and wants to leave. If they trade Lawson they would get the value of 2-3 1st rounders so I think they were wise to do what they did.
green
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This.
I think Jazz should have offered #12, top 8 protected first in 2016 and OKC pick with some 2nd rounders. Charlotte would have only dropped 3 spots and could have gotten Booker, who is a better fit for them imo. Jazz really only lose their first next year, which is probably 17 at worst if they can make the playoffs (maybe 19 as the East is so bad). OKC pick probably amounts to a second rounder. Only reason I don't include GS is if you really like the 2017 draft.
Bawse Dawg
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That just tells me that fans can talk themselves into anything. Lol
A "future first" can mean a lot of different things.
An unprotected future first from Philly is solid gold. A future first with four years of lotto protection from a playoff team is worth dick.
Plus, picks are usually overrated on draft night.
Moving up is usually a better idea in theory.
An unprotected future first from Philly is solid gold. A future first with four years of lotto protection from a playoff team is worth dick.
Plus, picks are usually overrated on draft night.
Moving up is usually a better idea in theory.
BENTLEY
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I can sort of understand their not wanting to trade from 9 to 16, but the Jazz had to have offered the 12 + assets in which case they probably woulda been able to grab Kaminsky at 12. Dunno what assets the Jazz offered and maybe Charlotte was scared Miami or Indy would grab Frank.
Yes to a large degree.
However, in many cases the GMs have a track record and we can judge them on that (even if we couldn't do better). Look at the decisions of top franchises versus middling versus awful. It comes down to the quality of their decisions. On the particulars, I could be 100% wrong, but 4 first round picks seems like a high price to pay for the Tank's draft rights. And I'd be willing to bet the Tank was below JW on 29 out of 30 GM's draft boards.
framer
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Here is the thing. If you have confidence in your scouting, mid to late first round picks are meaningful. The Spurs have feasted on them. That 27th pick had no value to the Nuggets a couple years back, but to the Jazz, who look to be more competent in that area, it meant the franchise. A late round pick in the hands of Michael Jordan is near worthless. Celtics and Sixers haven't really shown they know what to do with their extra picks either.
To sum things up, trading multiple first round picks would cost the Jazz more than most other teams, because of the Jazz's superior scouting and better ability to develop players.
To sum things up, trading multiple first round picks would cost the Jazz more than most other teams, because of the Jazz's superior scouting and better ability to develop players.
Miami or Indy (probably Miami if DX was right [and they are more than anyone else]) would've grabbed him. They wanted Frank, period. I can't even necessarily fault them considering their awful shooting/spacing/scoring ability. It just wasn't going to happen.
I really think the Jazz's best shot was with Sacramento at 6. Them picking WCS screamed of a panic selection and I think he would've been there at 12, and with their weak backcourt and over-leveraged future picks situation, the Jazz could've put together an offer where everyone won. I was mostly excited when WCS went there because it meant someone else was coming down, but I also got a little bummed/worried because they seemed like a good partner.
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I think that was the real fear. Indy has been shopping Hibbert. There's a real good chance they would have taken Kaminsky over Turner.
framer
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Honestly, you can't blame the Hornets for just grabbing the guy they wanted and not playing games. Probably the smartest thing they have done in years. Now if the guy they wanted turns out to be a good player is an entirely different matter.