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You heard it hear first... Trade/Offseason prediction thread!

NAOS said:
So.... in what scenario do you imagine acquiring Gasol helps us win the lottery? In other words, if you don't care about winning games, then how do you build any case for acquiring Gasol?
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I guess I should rephrase that, I don't really see Gasol helping us win the championship, so a two month rental of him only does something for me if we get a piece in return. I don't really think there is any chance of us winning the lottery, and I would hate it if we lost games on purpose. I don't really buy the whole "suck or win the championship" route either, because I think a smart GM will get good players other ways than the draft.
 
Personally I hope that they go after bigs that supplement Favors and Kanter as the main bigs instead of taking the spotlight from them and go after a legit point guard or SF/SG.
 
b_line said:
I guess I should rephrase that, I don't really see Gasol helping us win the championship, so a two month rental of him only does something for me if we get a piece in return. I don't really think there is any chance of us winning the lottery, and I would hate it if we lost games on purpose. I don't really buy the whole "suck or win the championship" route either, because I think a smart GM will get good players other ways than the draft.
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so you're back to the problem of what else do we get with Gasol....

I don't see anything appealing; and, I don't have the imagination to pull a third team into the equation which results in us getting something better. I guess I'll leave that to you and the other people forwarding some pro-Gasol position.
 
NAOS said:
so you're back to the problem of what else do we get with Gasol....

I don't see anything appealing; and, I don't have the imagination to pull a third team into the equation which results in us getting something better. I guess I'll leave that to you and the other people forwarding some pro-Gasol position.
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you convinced me, let's forget about Gasol, and go after someone who can give us a great asset. How about a sign and trade with Houston for Al? They can give us the guy who was the 5 pick and doesn't really play for them.
 
b_line said:
you convinced me, let's forget about Gasol, and go after someone who can give us a great asset. How about a sign and trade with Houston for Al? They can give us the guy who was the 5 pick and doesn't really play for them.
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Houston will likely be able to sign Al outright if they want to. No reason for them to give up assets. Al's a terrible fit for the Rockets anyway, as they like to get up and down and run P&R's.
 
b_line said:
you convinced me, let's forget about Gasol, and go after someone who can give us a great asset. How about a sign and trade with Houston for Al? They can give us the guy who was the 5 pick and doesn't really play for them.
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If I'm not mistaken, this move would put Houston over the cap, so you'll have to propose a trade where salaries match. When I look at their roster, I don't see them giving up the assets which add to Al's likely salary. I like Asik and Lin (sort of)....
 
GVC said:
Houston will likely be able to sign Al outright if they want to. No reason for them to give up assets.
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I'll have to look that up. I think they are pretty close to the cap, no?
I guess it all depends on how much Al is willing to sign for.
 
NAOS said:
I'll have to look that up. I think they are pretty close to the cap, no?
I guess it all depends on how much Al is willing to sign for.
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Depends on the cap a bit, but they have a team option on Francisco Garcia and Carlos Delfino's contract is fully unguaranteed next season. They should be able to create $15mm+ of cap space without giving away valuable players or other assets.
 
GVC said:
Depends on the cap a bit, but they have a team option on Francisco Garcia and Carlos Delfino's contract is fully unguaranteed next season. They should be able to create $15mm+ of cap space without giving away valuable players or other assets.
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kool! I'd love for them to carve away their bench and give a ****load to Al.

another one would bite the dust.
 
I do think the Jazz make the move for Bledsoe, whether it is draft day, or after CP3 signs a contract. The question is who would we take back with Bledsoe? DeAndre Jordan might even be a bigger mistake than getting Pau, especially if Bledsoe walks after next season. So what will the cost be of getting Bledsoe?

Another move that could make sense is to sign and trade with the Bobcats for one of Millsap or Jefferson, and getting a draft pick or one of their young guys that could turn into a role player to back up one of our young guys eventually.

I think Marvin will be traded, but for who and what? This might be one where we take back a contract that has another year on it, to get a good asset. I heard from a few people that they thought Marvin would be traded at the deadline, so I think the Jazz will try to move him this offseason.
 
GVC said:
Al's a terrible fit next to Lin/Harden/Parsons/Asik. Just terrible.
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I know. That is what is so awesome about it. Pretty sure the Rockets would never sign him though. They would suck for however long they had him.
 
b_line said:
I do think the Jazz make the move for Bledsoe, whether it is draft day, or after CP3 signs a contract. The question is who would we take back with Bledsoe? DeAndre Jordan might even be a bigger mistake than getting Pau, especially if Bledsoe walks after next season. So what will the cost be of getting Bledsoe?
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I think the Clipps could have serious interest in Millsap; and I think Millsap want to win and play with a real PG, so he may be interested even if that means coming off the bench (he'd still close most games). So, S&T Millsap to LAC with other bits for Bledsoe and salary match. This is possible, at least.

b_line said:
Another move that could make sense is to sign and trade with the Bobcats for one of Millsap or Jefferson, and getting a draft pick or one of their young guys that could turn into a role player to back up one of our young guys eventually.
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Bobcats could sign either outright. Did you look at Char's salary commitments?

b_line said:
I think Marvin will be traded, but for who and what? This might be one where we take back a contract that has another year on it, to get a good asset. I heard from a few people that they thought Marvin would be traded at the deadline, so I think the Jazz will try to move him this offseason.
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My bet would be that Marvin gets included in a deal only if he is a salary match for a player the jazz want to commit to long-term. Otherwise, I don't see him getting us a good pick or anything else (but I'll admit, my imagination has become a bit jaundiced by the non-moves of our organization).
 
Stoked said:
Personally I hope that they go after bigs that supplement Favors and Kanter as the main bigs instead of taking the spotlight from them and go after a legit point guard or SF/SG.
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Lots of people here are talking about Landry. That's not a bad idea.
 
NAOS said:
Lots of people here are talking about Landry. That's not a bad idea.
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I don't like Landry with Kanter. Landry and Favors is good, though.

Hickson works with either Favors or Kanter. That's why I favor a short term overpay for Hickson. Really good three man rotation, there.
 
Stoked said:
There will be a big signed one way or the other. Question you have to ask yourself is which Big would you want out of Gasol, Sap, Big Al, Kaman and Brand? 1 Big will not steal all of the minutes. I fully expect to see Favors start and kanter be the primary back up next year. Favors will get 33 ish minutes and Kanter will get 25.
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Carl Landry
JJ Hickson
Aaron Gray
Jason Maxielle
Kurt Thomas
ZaZa
Diop
Kaman
Muhammad
Turiaf
Dalembert
Lopez
Splitter
Okafur

Those are all players I would rather have than Gasol, Sap and Al. I wouldn't mind Brand if he was cheap (<5 million) and knew he was a bench guy.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
First those two picks better be top 20 protected, and second if we are giving two picks, I sure as hell am not Dow with just giving up Burks with those picks for the Clips backup. So pick either or, but not both. Either we give Burks streght up or the two picks.

The insane package you want to give up is pretty close to the package we got for Deron. I'm not saying its as good, but Bledsoe is no where near Deron's level. Don't get me wrong I love Bledsoe's game, but if the jazz want him they just need to be patient and the price will come down, similar to the trade the Bucs just made for Darrelle Revis. The jets wanted two firsts, and ended up only getting a first this year and a probable third next.
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I would NOT give up Burks for Bledsoe. Burks is/will be the better player.
 
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