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You heard it hear first... Trade/Offseason prediction thread!

b_line said:
Eric Bledsoe and a junk piece from the Clips or Deandre Jordans contract.
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Xthren said:
Alec burks and 2 protected 1st for Eric Bledsoe.
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If I'd have to call it, I think the Jazz will pick a PG from this draft instead of sacrificing Burks and giving up picks to get Bledsoe.

KOC is stingy as hell. Lindsey comes from the tradition of the Spurs, they like to find untapped diamond in the rough type players and develop that, instead of overpaying someone. Look at Tony Parker, Ginobili, Splitter, Blair, Neal, .. practically the whole team is a diamond in the rough.

Moreover, I just don't think the FO thinks Bledsoe will fit well in our team/personnel... plus KOC likes well rounded players. Bledsoe's passing/running of the team & 3pt shooting isn't there yet.
 
NAOS said:
You under-rate Millsap so hard it isn't even funny. He's substantially better than anybody on that list.
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You missed my point. Goodness gracious.

I would take any of those players over Millsap. Why? Because he isn't worth 12+ million dollars. I think someone will overpay to get Millsap. Look at the FA class. Al is the BEST OBTAINABLE FA out there. He will probably get Max or close to Max money. It's ridiculous.

So, yes, I'd take those players over Millsap, because Millsap will demand too much money and minutes to make it worth it.

Going along with your argument Al is a better player than Millsap, and Pau is better than Millsap as well. Why do you want Paul over Al, when Al is the better player?
 
GVC said:
Why? Because they're ignorant drama queens. Millsap was relegated to 4th option once Mo came back and Gordo was inserted into the starting lineup, despite being a better facilitator and more efficient scorer than 2 of the 3 getting plays/touches ahead of him. Dude was **** on all year by Corbin and the local media, yet continued to do his job admirably. He was especially effective when playing with the Jazz's young players, which is probably the best reason to bring him back.
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finally some intelligent input on Millsap. Sadly though, I don't think he would come back to the Jazz after being treated that way.
 
green said:
You missed my point. Goodness gracious.

I would take any of those players over Millsap. Why? Because he isn't worth 12+ million dollars. I think someone will overpay to get Millsap. Look at the FA class. Al is the BEST OBTAINABLE FA out there. He will probably get Max or close to Max money. It's ridiculous.

So, yes, I'd take those players over Millsap, because Millsap will demand too much money and minutes to make it worth it.

Going along with your argument Al is a better player than Millsap, and Pau is better than Millsap as well. Why do you want Paul over Al, when Al is the better player?
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Sap will probably get around 4 years 40 million or so. I don't think anyone is paying more than that for Sap. Jefferson will probably be the one getting 12 mil/year, and he is not worth that to the Jazz.
 
well here is my take on things

Millsap and AL ... might as well sign them if you can but no reason to spend a lot of money on them ... there isn't really much better out there but make sure they know there going to take a back seat to Favors and Kanter the team is now built around them
Moe is a good backup but he really isn't the best option ... we need a point guard that will make shots for others instead of chuck up balls with defenders in his face ... he would be a big boost off the bench ... he's fairly similar to Jason Terry in boston
Foye is a different story you can't play him with Moe cause its proven that the defence and rebounding sags and we turn into a old school phoenix suns type offensive team ... throw him in there depending on the matchup and if he is cold yank him out and let Burks play
the biggest key this off season is we need a real point guard I'm thinking taking the clippers second and third string isn't allways such a good idea ..even though they have been a farm team forever it seams.. we need to look at all the options via draft and free agency and solve our problem ... we close to last in the NBA in this area
 
I'm not sold on Bledsoe. I might be okay with Bledsoe for burks straight up.

2014 draft will be stacked and we could get a great player in that draft. So i hope we go young and lean next season. We need to add another piece to the puzzle and the 2014 draft would give us that opportunity.

Lets sign Jarret Jack to a 2 year deal and we should front load the first year so we have more money in the second year of his deal.
Sign J.J. Hickson to be your 3rd big: Front Load his first year too. Two or three years (we need to use 90 percent of our capspace.
Roster should look like this:

Jack/Burks/D-Leager
Hayward/Burks/ Pope?
Carrol/Marvin Williams/Hayward
Kanter/Hickson/Evans
Favors/Kanter/Hickson/ Adams?

This roster would be interesting to watch. We'd be able to see where the young guys are and what they are made of. We'd also likely win around 30 games which would mean we'd be drafting 6th or 7th-ish which could very well equal Marcus Smart or Harrison or maybe even Jabari Parker.
Who could disagree with this. Please explain if you could actually disagree here. If I was KOC, I'd totally got his route. 2014 could be a historic draft. we are not going to win with Jefferson and Mo as one of our main guys. Why would you keep them just so you could be a 38-43 win team???
 
No way we sign Al or Millsap. We just can't. It would be stupid beyond belief and a disaster of epic proportions. If Millsap's comments at the end of the season has taught them nothing, then the franchise is in bad shape. I have to believe that they aren't that stupid. No way could they be that stupid. They have two very promising young bigs that will be demanding some pretty big money real soon. You can't wrap up all your cap space in just your bigs. Especially not when Burks and Hayward will be demanding a lot more money real soon too, and especially not when you have gaping holes on your team, like the pg spot. You also cant be signing either one because of the chemistry problems it will create and also upset more of your players. It just bad idea for so many reasons. Also, what about Jeremy Evans? When the hell is he going to play? Jeremy Evans is a stud and its a crime that he doesn't play.
 
Hack said:
No way we sign Al or Millsap. We just can't. It would be stupid beyond belief and a disaster of epic proportions. If Millsap's comments at the end of the season has taught them nothing, then the franchise is in bad shape. I have to believe that they aren't that stupid. No way could they be that stupid. They have two very promising young bigs that will be demanding some pretty big money real soon. You can't wrap up all your cap space in just your bigs. Especially not when Burks and Hayward will be demanding a lot more money real soon too, and especially not when you have gaping holes on your team, like the pg spot. You also cant be signing either one because of the chemistry problems it will create and also upset more of your players. It just bad idea for so many reasons. Also, what about Jeremy Evans? When the hell is he going to play? Jeremy Evans is a stud and its a crime that he doesn't play.
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Evans needs at least 15 minutes a game. I don't care if he plays the 3 or 4, but he needs to play. He always impacts the game when he plays.
 
Batman said:
I'm not sold on Bledsoe. I might be okay with Bledsoe for burks straight up.

2014 draft will be stacked and we could get a great player in that draft. So i hope we go young and lean next season. We need to add another piece to the puzzle and the 2014 draft would give us that opportunity.

Lets sign Jarret Jack to a 2 year deal and we should front load the first year so we have more money in the second year of his deal.
Sign J.J. Hickson to be your 3rd big: Front Load his first year too. Two or three years (we need to use 90 percent of our capspace.
Roster should look like this:

Jack/Burks/D-Leager
Hayward/Burks/ Pope?
Carrol/Marvin Williams/Hayward
Kanter/Hickson/Evans
Favors/Kanter/Hickson/ Adams?

This roster would be interesting to watch. We'd be able to see where the young guys are and what they are made of. We'd also likely win around 30 games which would mean we'd be drafting 6th or 7th-ish which could very well equal Marcus Smart or Harrison or maybe even Jabari Parker.
Who could disagree with this. Please explain if you could actually disagree here. If I was KOC, I'd totally got his route. 2014 could be a historic draft. we are not going to win with Jefferson and Mo as one of our main guys. Why would you keep them just so you could be a 38-43 win team???
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Do you really like Jarret Jack better than E Bled? Jack is at best a glorified Jamall Tinsley. At least Bledsoe has upside.
 
Hack said:
It would be stupid beyond belief and a disaster of epic proportions. I have to believe that they aren't that stupid. No way could they be that stupid.
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With a team owned by Greg Miller and coached by Ty Corbin, anything is possible...ANYTHING.
 
akirac73 said:
With a team owned by Greg Miller and coached by Ty Corbin, anything is possible...ANYTHING.
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Yup. They have not fired Tyrone yet, so that does indicate they are a bit loony in their thinking. And I bet Ty is lobbying real hard to get Fool's Gold, Big Al, back.
 
b_line said:
Do you really like Jarret Jack better than E Bled? Jack is at best a glorified Jamall Tinsley. At least Bledsoe has upside.
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Bro, Jack can shoot it and that makes a big difference. Look at his numbers from last year... he can play. Bledsoe still has a few question marks. He is 23 and he can't shoot but i do understand why people are big on him. Huge athletic PG that can defend and get into the lane. If we lose enough games, we could end up with a great player in 2014. If we had parker i do not think we would even need a real PG. Burks at the 1, Hayward 2, PArker 3 would be pretty awesome. They could all facilitate. Anyway, it is not that i am anti Bledsoe. I am just not sold on Bledsoe yet.
 
The thread about Tomic got me thinking today. I would like to see Tomic come over this summer to be a backup big next year. I would like this roster:

PG Bledsoe, Burks, Tinsley or Draft
SG Hayward, Burks, Draft or FA
SF Igoudala, Demarre, Marvin
PF Kanter, Evans, Marvin or Draft
C Favors, Tomic, Elton Brand
 
JayCamjazzfan said:
Oj Mayo and Iggy 2 or 3 years each. 8-10mil per season per player. And trade up to get Burke
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I like Iggy and Burke. Not sold on Mayo yet, but he would not be bad though. With those two guys on the wings, we would be searching for minutes for Hayward and Burks, so I would probably say no to Mayo, and have a three wing rotation of Iggy, Hayward and Burks.
 
b_line said:
I like Iggy and Burke. Not sold on Mayo yet, but he would not be bad though. With those two guys on the wings, we would be searching for minutes for Hayward and Burks, so I would probably say no to Mayo, and have a three wing rotation of Iggy, Hayward and Burks.
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Don't think Mayo could fit in with KOC and Lindsey's vision for the future of this team. They want Hayward and Favors, soon kanter, to take over the leadership role for this team. Hayward and Favors are not ready to do that if you put a guy like Mayo in the locker room.
 
Batman said:
Don't think Mayo could fit in with KOC and Lindsey's vision for the future of this team. They want Hayward and Favors, soon kanter, to take over the leadership role for this team. Hayward and Favors are not ready to do that if you put a guy like Mayo in the locker room.
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no doubt.
 
At the point I see us picking up the starter and possibly a back up at the right price but more than they paid Watson and Tinsley combined. (Calderon, Jack, Mo Williams, Collison, or Maynor) and a draft pick as the third point (CJ McCollum, Schroeder, Wolter or Carter Williams) Burks will remain available and as a point but be listed as a 2. Point will remain our weakness but I think this is an improvement over Tinsley and Watson.
I think the main pick up will be a starting 2 guard (Iggy, Kevin Martin, JR Smith, Tony Allen, or Tyreke ) with Hayward and Burks as back ups and possibly bringing back Foye in a Tinsley/Watson capacity as the old vet just in case. Murphy will be gone.
Hayward will start at SF, Marvin will opt in and Carrol will come back as the third SF
Favors, Kanter and JJ Hickson or Pekovic will be the main 3 bigs with Jeremy Evans burried as usual and Adams as the project pick. I would not be surprised to see them consider Kaman, Spreights, David West or Landry and a 4th big to round out the team and cause consternation by competing for playing time.
 
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