You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Correct me if I'm wrong. But for the jazz to make an offer to say d-lo they have to renounce Favors to clear space to make the offer correct? And say the nets match. Then we lose out on d-lo and lose Favors? Is that right?

Jazz wont sign D-Lo if he's a RFA. If he's a RFA that means Brooklyn wants to keep him. Jazz arent stupid.

 

[Jazz]

So both of these players are suddenly going to shoot 3X more per game than they did the previous season because they play together? Oof, I am impressed with how much worse your takes can get.

I'm joking about taking 90% of shots. What I'm getting at though is they're both inefficient players.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We aren't talking do overs. We are talking the parameters of either deal this summer.

Conley costs $32.5 and $34.5 million the next two years. To get him, it will cost at least 1 1st round pick.

Worst case scenario, Russell costs $27 million next year and a couple more million each year the few years after that. Still $5 millionish less than Conley the next two years.

It's an easy call. Forget age. Forget Donovan and D'Angelo being buddies. Forget Conley's camp saying he doesn't want Utah. The $5 million more to spend and keeping all our picks does make it a no brainer.


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I was talking do overs. Our cap situation likely doesn’t change with that 5 mil cuz we are left with exceptions either way. It might cost us a pick to facilitate a sign and trade since they likely match anything and likely don’t make him unrestricted.

Russell isn’t as good as Conley. I really don’t think it’s close. I’d gladly give up the pick (that has like a 15-20% chance at a rotation player) for the better player with a contract that carries less risk.

 

[Jazz]

And I'm not saying these things bout russell cause of Dante. I would prefer Dante and favors to go to the Grizzlies in a trade together so U can have Conley

 

[LoPo]

You could sign Favors with cap space, which you could argue that he’d rebuff the offer after being shown he’s not a priority, but then you could also say that no other team is offering Favors their cap space.

I still fail to see many teams willing to give Favors more than the MLE on a long term deal. He might get one of those crazy KCP or Redick one year overpay deals, but nothing that's much more than the MLE over the long term.

If we waive him and try to sign him for a 3 year guaranteed deal making more than the MLE, I think he stays.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I still fail to see many teams willing to give Favors more than the MLE on a long term deal. He might get one of those crazy KCP or Redick one year overpay deals, but nothing that's much more than the MLE over the long term.

If we waive him and try to sign him for a 3 year guaranteed deal making more than the MLE, I think he stays.

He's getting way more than the MLE.

Some of these teams with max room won't get the max guys they want (Hello Lakers). They'll either conceded and sign guys like Favors to fair deals or give them large single year contracts.

 

[LoPo]

I was talking do overs. Our cap situation likely doesn’t change with that 5 mil cuz we are left with exceptions either way. It might cost us a pick to facilitate a sign and trade since they likely match anything and likely don’t make him unrestricted.

Russell isn’t as good as Conley. I really don’t think it’s close. I’d gladly give up the pick (that has like a 15-20% chance at a rotation player) for the better player with a contract that carries less risk.

If we bring in Conley, we only have the BAE to spend. That is about $4 million.

If we pay Russell max, we have $5 million to spend AND the BAE. So outside of keeping our 2020 1st rounder, we get to add another $4 million type player that we wouldn't get to add if we added Conley.

I feel like we could do this all day.

Russell is unlikely to happen and trading for Conley is a shortsighted move to get us a win or two more in the 2nd round.

 

[LoPo]

He's getting way more than the MLE.

Some of these teams with max room won't get the max guys they want (Hello Lakers). They'll either conceded and sign guys like Favors to fair deals or give them large single year contracts.

I said that in my post. Favors might get a one year overpay type deal.

My point is that Favors might return to us on a 3 year guaranteed deal over taking some one year overpay (if it does actually happen). Favors seems like the type guy to value where he is comfortable. He says he wants to come back. If we offer him $30+ guaranteed money, he probably takes that over $15 million in LaLa Land.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If we bring in Conley, we only have the BAE to spend. That is about $4 million.

If we pay Russell max, we have $5 million to spend AND the BAE. So outside of keeping our 2020 1st rounder, we get to add another $4 million type player that we wouldn't get to add if we added Conley.

I feel like we could do this all day.

Russell is unlikely to happen and trading for Conley is a shortsighted move to get us a win or two more in the 2nd round.

We don’t get the BAE... we get the room exception. We also are likely sending some salary back in the trade so viola... there’s your huge life altering 5M.

A win or two more... gtfo... if Conley only gets us a win or two then Russell gets us like -5...

If we had Conley we are the second best team in the west... Who knows what GS looks like but we’d have a chance.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I said that in my post. Favors might get a one year overpay type deal.

My point is that Favors might return to us on a 3 year guaranteed deal over taking some one year overpay (if it does actually happen). Favors seems like the type guy to value where he is comfortable. He says he wants to come back. If we offer him $30+ guaranteed money, he probably takes that over $15 million in LaLa Land.

Why on Earth would he take that over getting paid to play with Lebron James?

 

[LoPo]

Why on Earth would he take that over getting paid to play with Lebron James?

In the very unlikely event that the Lakers give up that much money for one year for Derrick Favors, I think Favors would take the long term guaranteed money over the very good likelihood he is shopped at the deadline once again.

Like I've said before, Favors could decide to stay or he could decide to go. Paying him $18 next season isn't wise. I want to keep him, but not for that. He has to decide how much he wants to stay at a place where he has said he wants to stay.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

In the very unlikely event that the Lakers give up that much money for one year for Derrick Favors, I think Favors would take the long term guaranteed money over the very good likelihood he is shopped at the deadline once again.

Like I've said before, Favors could decide to stay or he could decide to go. Paying him $18 next season isn't wise. I want to keep him, but not for that. He has to decide how much he wants to stay at a place where he has said he wants to stay.

I think it's highly likely. Extremely actually.

I doubt they get their desired two max FA's. They'll get one and then they'll really want to make the playoffs and have max room open for next year.

 

[LoPo]

We don’t get the BAE... we get the room exception. We also are likely sending some salary back in the trade so viola... there’s your huge life altering 5M.

A win or two more... gtfo... if Conley only gets us a win or two then Russell gets us like -5...

If we had Conley we are the second best team in the west... Who knows what GS looks like but we’d have a chance.

Oh, so we lose more than just a 1st rounder and a ton of space for Conley. Not only do we get left with peanuts to spend, but we might have to replace Crowder too. Awesome.

We didn't make the 2nd round this year. We got swept in the 2nd round two years ago and we won one game last summer. My assessment is that Conley makes us better enough to win a game or two more in the 2nd round.

We aren't better than Houston by adding Conley for Rubio AND Favors (and maybe Crowder too). We aren't better than Portland. We aren't better than GS (unless KD AND Klay AND Cousins all leave). If the Lakers get AD, they are better.

The Conley scenario had a ton of potential at the deadline. It made sense. We would be debating what to do with the MLE while also keeping Crowder AND Favors. But, we didn't make that deal. We all should move on.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Conley is eons better than Russell. You'd have to be a complete moron not to recognize that.

Russell is barely even good right now. He had an outlier season in terms of mid-range shooting. You have to really hope he takes some big 5th year leap and makes fundamental changes to his play-style.

 

[LoPo]

I think it's highly likely. Extremely actually.

I doubt they get their desired two max FA's. They'll get one and then they'll really want to make the playoffs and have max room open for next year.

I think LA is going to get AD by trading Ball, Ingram, #4 and other assets. They will have the money to make some improvements, but not another max space. I just don't see LA spending more than $12 million on a one year deal for Favors. I could be wrong and have been before. I just feel that LA will bring back a bunch of vets like Rondo and KCP on less than $10 deals. Paying Favors $10+ eats away almost half of the money they have left.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Exum is the new Trey Lyles

 

[LoPo]

Conley is eons better than Russell. You'd have to be a complete moron not to recognize that.

Russell is barely even good right now. He had an outlier season in terms of mid-range shooting. You have to really hope he takes some big 5th year leap and makes fundamental changes to his play-style.

Russell is eons better than Conley at the same age. Conley in his 4th year and a year old than Russell averaged 13, 6.5 and 3.

Conley is slightly better than Russell is now. I have admitted he is better, but you guys are getting carried away.

Somebody ask Tony Jones. Conley at his salary or Russell at max plus keeping our assets. What does he say?

 

[Coach Ellis]

Exum is the new Trey Lyles

Does that mean we can trade him to move up for another superstar?

 

[Ron Mexico]

I'm joking about taking 90% of shots. What I'm getting at though is they're both inefficient players.

They are both are very young 22/23. Both have shown signs of being really good. Both of them can shoot. Both are better PGs and SGs than Simmons. Both need more help, which they can do for each other. Russell has improved every season with his efficiency and his load has grown every year. Both will make each other more efficient when they have less of a load and more spacing to help them out.

D'Lo/ Exum/ Allen
Mitchell/ Korver/ Allen
Ingles/ Royce
Crowder/cheap stretch 4 that are everywhere/Niang
Gobert/ cheap center that are everywhere

 

[enchilada_style]

Russell is eons better than Conley at the same age. Conley in his 4th year and a year old than Russell averaged 13, 6.5 and 3.

Conley is slightly better than Russell is now. I have admitted he is better, but you guys are getting carried away.

Somebody ask Tony Jones. Conley at his salary or Russell at max plus keeping our assets. What does he say?

He probably will answer with nothing of substance.


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