You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Addressing the four is the most important thing this franchise could do since the emergence of Gobert. I’m sick of this revolving door of players that either aren’t good or aren’t 4s.

We have two great ball handlers. We need a 4. If we can get a 4 that can make plays then halle****inglujah.

We need a starting and closing caliber 4. Priority 1 by a mile.

I'd say PG is the much bigger position of need, but it doesn't really matter either way. You just take the best non center you can get regardless of position

 

[NUMBERICA]

I'd say PG is the much bigger position of need, but it doesn't really matter either way. You just take the best non center you can get regardless of position

Mitchell alone is much closer to addressing the skills that the 1 provides than anything the Jazz currently have in addressing the skills that the 4 provides.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I was watching Dante’s highlights of this season. It reminded me of George Costanza: ‘if you take everything I’ve accomplished in my life and condense it to one day, it looks decent’.
Or in Dante’s case: ‘ if you take everything I’ve accomplished this season and condense it to a 5 minute highlights clip, it looks decent’.
Against my better judgement I still have a secret hope he will turn into something decent.

I really do think Exum was on the verge of a breakout season before he injury.

I'm buying Exum stock now that everyone hates because I think he's now underrated after being overrated for years.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Mitchell alone is much closer to addressing the skills that the 1 provides than anything the Jazz currently have in addressing the skills that the 4 provides.

Ehh, I'd say the numbers heavily disagree.

Jae is a fine stretch 4 as well.

 

[JazzForLifee]

Dlo can be amazing for us. It needs to be July asap lol


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[Handlogten's Heros]

This is exactly the sentiment I just don't get. If we had a chance to get Russell, we should take it 100% over Conley. Why?

- Russell, even at a max, would make at least $5 million less per year the next two years than Conley
- Conley costs us more than just contract. So it would be Russell PLUS at least one 1st rounder vs just Conley
- Age - Russell is 9 years younger than Conley. That's a pretty big deal.
- Russell and Donovan are close. Conley's own people said he didn't want Utah. If we trade for Conley, he doesn't have a choice and might be unhappy. If Russell signs here, it means he wants to be here.

Is Conley slightly better than Russell right now? Sure, I'll give you that. It's marginal, but whatever. But if we got Russell, every single Utah Jazz fan should celebrate. There should be no naysayers. There should be zero negativity. Signing D'Angelo Russell would be the most impressive free agent signing in the history of the franchise.

Your reasons are not as conclusive as you think. I’ll give you the acquisition price but...

Conley is at least 5M better than Russell. My guess is Exum would be in the deal anyway so since we ditch some ded money they are equally paid.

Russell’s contract will be risky... I’d rather have a shorter contract personally. He’s inefficient and we have a young inefficient guard... they may be buds today but working together may not be ideal... I couldn’t work with my best bros. Also his defense is pretty much ***.

Then we’d either have to make the contract toxic so they don’t match, work out a sign and trade where we give something up, or pray that they land two max free agents. So... basically it ain’t happening.

So yeah if you give me the do-over I’d gladly forego free agency and have Conley.

Conley is a much better player and has had playoff success... he’s a guy I could see playing in the finals. Russell has a chucker empty calories feel I can’t shake. If the choice was Russell or run it back... I’ll take Russell. I think there is like a 5%-10% chance he becomes unrestricted.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I really do think Exum was on the verge of a breakout season before he injury.

I'm buying Exum stock now that everyone hates because I think he's now underrated after being overrated for years.

The contrarian speaks.

 

[Douchebag K]

This is exactly the sentiment I just don't get. If we had a chance to get Russell, we should take it 100% over Conley. Why?

- Russell, even at a max, would make at least $5 million less per year the next two years than Conley
- Conley costs us more than just contract. So it would be Russell PLUS at least one 1st rounder vs just Conley
- Age - Russell is 9 years younger than Conley. That's a pretty big deal.
- Russell and Donovan are close. Conley's own people said he didn't want Utah. If we trade for Conley, he doesn't have a choice and might be unhappy. If Russell signs here, it means he wants to be here.

Is Conley slightly better than Russell right now? Sure, I'll give you that. It's marginal, but whatever. But if we got Russell, every single Utah Jazz fan should celebrate. There should be no naysayers. There should be zero negativity. Signing D'Angelo Russell would be the most impressive free agent signing in the history of the franchise.

why you ask ??

1 - usage rate for D-Lo is ridiculous. We don't need another high volume dude next to Donovan. D-Lo doesn't get to the free throw line or really create that much.

I mean if he's all we could get, ok but i would hope he'd be playing off Donovan as a shooter primarily. Conley brings the whole package.

 

[David Stern]

Do you guys think DL would finally be willing to trade DedEx if we signed Russell?

 

[Douchebag K]

If we happen to luck into getting Tobias, then i'm good with rolling the dice with Exum next to Donovan. Donovan/Joe/Tobias would take care of the bulk of the playmaking, plus Exum's pnr numbers last year were looking really good. It's a gamble but it could pay a huge return.

Or his legs fall off.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Your reasons are not as conclusive as you think. I’ll give you the acquisition price but...

Conley is at least 5M better than Russell. My guess is Exum would be in the deal anyway so since we ditch some ded money they are equally paid.

Russell’s contract will be risky... I’d rather have a shorter contract personally. He’s inefficient and we have a young inefficient guard... they may be buds today but working together may not be ideal... I couldn’t work with my best bros. Also his defense is pretty much ***.

Then we’d either have to make the contract toxic so they don’t match, work out a sign and trade where we give something up, or pray that they land two max free agents. So... basically it ain’t happening.

So yeah if you give me the do-over I’d gladly forego free agency and have Conley.

Conley is a much better player and has had playoff success... he’s a guy I could see playing in the finals. Russell has a chucker empty calories feel I can’t shake. If the choice was Russell or run it back... I’ll take Russell. I think there is like a 5%-10% chance he becomes unrestricted.

The big thing with Russell is how open he is to coaching. The way he played is the way Brooklyn wanted him to play. They got 3 guards who can make plays and they all kind of dominate the ball.

I think he's overrated, but he was one of my favorite prospects of all time. Maybe he can change his game up. The Jazz did teach Rubio how to be a slightly better finisher.

 

[Jazz]

Mitchell alone is much closer to addressing the skills that the 1 provides than anything the Jazz currently have in addressing the skills that the 4 provides.

No he's not a pg.

 

[Jazz]

This is exactly the sentiment I just don't get. If we had a chance to get Russell, we should take it 100% over Conley. Why?

- Russell, even at a max, would make at least $5 million less per year the next two years than Conley
- Conley costs us more than just contract. So it would be Russell PLUS at least one 1st rounder vs just Conley
- Age - Russell is 9 years younger than Conley. That's a pretty big deal.
- Russell and Donovan are close. Conley's own people said he didn't want Utah. If we trade for Conley, he doesn't have a choice and might be unhappy. If Russell signs here, it means he wants to be here.

Is Conley slightly better than Russell right now? Sure, I'll give you that. It's marginal, but whatever. But if we got Russell, every single Utah Jazz fan should celebrate. There should be no naysayers. There should be zero negativity. Signing D'Angelo Russell would be the most impressive free agent signing in the history of the franchise.

Donovan and Russell in the backcourt terribly inefficient

 

[LoPo]

Your reasons are not as conclusive as you think. I’ll give you the acquisition price but...

Conley is at least 5M better than Russell. My guess is Exum would be in the deal anyway so since we ditch some ded money they are equally paid.

Russell’s contract will be risky... I’d rather have a shorter contract personally. He’s inefficient and we have a young inefficient guard... they may be buds today but working together may not be ideal... I couldn’t work with my best bros. Also his defense is pretty much ***.

Then we’d either have to make the contract toxic so they don’t match, work out a sign and trade where we give something up, or pray that they land two max free agents. So... basically it ain’t happening.

So yeah if you give me the do-over I’d gladly forego free agency and have Conley.

Conley is a much better player and has had playoff success... he’s a guy I could see playing in the finals. Russell has a chucker empty calories feel I can’t shake. If the choice was Russell or run it back... I’ll take Russell. I think there is like a 5%-10% chance he becomes unrestricted.

Conley was not a $5 million better player than Russell last year.
- Russell played 10 more regular season games
- Russell played well in the playoffs
- Russell averaged more assists per game
- Russell averaged more rebounds per game
- Russell shot a better EFG%
- Russell shot better from 3

Russell has a high usage rate right now because Brooklyn is set up that way. They don't have many options for guys to create with the ball in their hands. For Quin, we maximize his skills.

I will give you that Conley is a slightly better player. A smart GM takes the younger player, keeps the draft pick(s) and appreciates the extra salary space.

 

[Jazz]

Conley was not a $5 million better player than Russell last year.
- Russell played 10 more regular season games
- Russell played well in the playoffs
- Russell averaged more assists per game
- Russell averaged more rebounds per game
- Russell shot a better EFG%
- Russell shot better from 3

Russell has a high usage rate right now because Brooklyn is set up that way. They don't have many options for guys to create with the ball in their hands. For Quin, we maximize his skills.

I will give you that Conley is a slightly better player. A smart GM takes the younger player, keeps the draft pick(s) and appreciates the extra salary space.

But what U going to do when Russell and Donovan try to outshoot each other

 

[Ron Mexico]

He can take shots.

Idk how much he can actually create. A lot of his assist are just due to having the ball a lot.

He has lots of good passes. He gets more assists than Mitchell or Rubio. He had the same amount of touches per game as Rubio and 10 more per game than Mitchell but Mitchell would not hit those numbers with 10 more touches at his current stats.

D'Lo has 12 drives per game and shoots 51%. On those he gets 1.1 assists per game on driving. Mitchell has 17 drives a game and shoots 45% and creates the same number of assists.

D'Lo has 11.4 possessions as the ball handler in the pick and roll. He shoots 44% for 10.1 points per game.
Mitchell has 11.1 possessions as the ball handler in the pick and roll. He shoots 45% for 10.5 points per game.

Mitchell and D'Lo both shoot poor percentages in ISO. But that isnt really Utah's game plan anyways.

Plus again he shoots well when he is open. He will get plenty of open looks with the Jazz.

On top of that Mitchell and D'Lo are about the same age. Mitchell is only 7 months younger.

A very young good shooting taller guard next to Mitchell would be great.

Besides I assume his efficiency would go up with less of a workload. I think Mitchell and D'Lo would be more efficient if they played together. He is one of the better fits in the NBA with Mitchell in the back court, that is actually attainable.

 

[Jazz]

He has lots of good passes. He gets more assists than Mitchell or Rubio. He had the same amount of touches per game as Rubio and 10 more per game than Mitchell but Mitchell would not hit those numbers with 10 more touches at his current stats.

D'Lo has 12 drives per game and shoots 51%. On those he gets 1.1 assists per game on driving. Mitchell has 17 drives a game and shoots 45% and creates the same number of assists.

D'Lo has 11.4 possessions as the ball handler in the pick and roll. He shoots 44% for 10.1 points per game.
Mitchell has 11.1 possessions as the ball handler in the pick and roll. He shoots 45% for 10.5 points per game.

Mitchell and D'Lo both shoot poor percentages in ISO. But that isnt really Utah's game plan anyways.

Plus again he shoots well when he is open. He will get plenty of open looks with the Jazz.

On top of that Mitchell and D'Lo are about the same age. Mitchell is only 7 months younger.

A very young good shooting taller guard next to Mitchell would be great.

Besides I assume his efficiency would go up with less of a workload. I think Mitchell and D'Lo would be more efficient if they played together. He is one of the better fits in the NBA with Mitchell in the back court, that is actually attainable.

Wrong

 

[Ron Mexico]

I would take D'Lo over Conley even if all things were equal on money and contract. But Conley is set to make more money, plus we have to give up resources to get him, plus he is on the decline.

Conley is a desperation move by the Jazz if we fail to get anything else. It would improve us depending on what we give up but it is one of my least favorite moves.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Conley was not a $5 million better player than Russell last year.
- Russell played 10 more regular season games
- Russell played well in the playoffs
- Russell averaged more assists per game
- Russell averaged more rebounds per game
- Russell shot a better EFG%
- Russell shot better from 3

Russell has a high usage rate right now because Brooklyn is set up that way. They don't have many options for guys to create with the ball in their hands. For Quin, we maximize his skills.

I will give you that Conley is a slightly better player. A smart GM takes the younger player, keeps the draft pick(s) and appreciates the extra salary space.

Uhhh cool... he’s barely higher on some of those things... but TS percentage which is a more accurate reading of how efficient a guy is he is quite a bit worse. He also commits twice as many turnovers and plays in the JV conference.

Defense is literally half the game and he’s bad there... Conley is above average even though he’s older and smaller.

Finally Russell was *** in the playoffs... so was DM... it happens but he was absolute ***.

Naysayers are completely justified... believers can make their arguments too but laying it out like a no brained is dumb... it ain’t black and white.

 

[LoPo]

But what U going to do when Russell and Donovan try to outshoot each other

Isn't that the same thing people asked about KD and Curry and Klay?

We desperately need another guy who can go get a basket. Whether it's Kemba or Tobias or Russell, we need another guy to go get buckets. Donovan is an unselfish player. He wants to share more. I'm sure he'd be much happier passing to Russell than Rubio.