Zach Lowe on Trevor Booker

[Sexual Favors]

Nobody is acting like he won't play a lot of minutes. That's absurd.

But your campaign to enshrine Enes and celebrate all his accomplishments, and then coming onto jazzfanz to fight a strawman..... that **** is more absurd.

Huh?

We were having a discussion that you apparently haven't followed. To inform you, Green and GVC from this thread are skeptical about Kanter getting minutes. Others from the other Booker thread share this sentiment.


Cheers.

 

[fishonjazz]

I like the simplicity of this, but think there are some issues. Shooting is needed desperately on this team, so Hood and Novak will need to get some time. How is Hood to get any time if he is only playing the SF behind Max-money Hayward? Additionally, there will be nights where the matchup makes more sense for players to play their second best position rather than their normal one. Also, from what I gather, Quin's style of coaching is more positionless than I think we're accounting for. It's more about basketball players than positions. I think we'll see primary roles for players, as well as secondary roles, hence a fluctuation between positions.

Good post

 

[ncoloradojazz]

Kanter is a scrub. So middle of this year what will the excuse for this player be? Cn no longer say Corbin doesn't know basketball.

 

[JazzForLifee]

Kanter is a scrub. So middle of this year what will the excuse for this player be? Cn no longer say Corbin doesn't know basketball.

no wonder why you have -705 rep level...

 

[Stifle Tower]

I like the simplicity of this, but think there are some issues. Shooting is needed desperately on this team, so Hood and Novak will need to get some time. How is Hood to get any time if he is only playing the SF behind Max-money Hayward? Additionally, there will be nights where the matchup makes more sense for players to play their second best position rather than their normal one. Also, from what I gather, Quin's style of coaching is more positionless than I think we're accounting for. It's more about basketball players than positions. I think we'll see primary roles for players, as well as secondary roles, hence a fluctuation between positions.

Also, injuries play a part. Minutes/per is not just distributed as 48 mins*82 games for 13/14 players. So players may average more than your distribution. We may even see something like SA where no one averaged 30 mins. I'm guessing with a more up-tempo, motion-heavy offense, players will be subbed more often.

As for Hayward/Hood, I think Hood gets all his minutes at SF, but Gordon plays some SG. I don't see Exum getting a ton of mins at SG. He needs to master one position first. And he and Burke didn't play that well together during SL. Exum is a project; I could see Burke playing 30 mins and Exum 18, with the two occasionally playing together if one of the wings is out with an injury. Then, as Exum finds his game and shot, his minutes increase at the expense of Trey. I see a Green/Stockton parallel.

 

[colton]

Also, injuries play a part. Minutes/per is not just distributed as 48 mins*82 games for 13/14 players. So players may average more than your distribution.

Yep. With injuries included, the typical minutes per position is more like 52 (I think).

 

[green]

Here is how I would do the rotations to start the year:

Burke (33 mins)/Exum (15 mins)/Clark (4 mins)
Burks (25 mins)/Hayward (10 mins)/Felix (7 mins)
Hayward (25 mins)/Hood (15 mins)/Novak (10 mins)
Kanter (25 mins)/Booker (25 mins)/Novak (5 mins)
Favors (33 mins)/Gobert (20 mins)

I really don't think you will see Burke and Exum together very much. Exum isn't physically ready for more minutes yet, and you don't want to hurt Exum's progression if Burke can't/won't defer. So, easy fix. Play them both as PG's, don't play them together, and after this year, next summer, and halfway through next year, let Exum get his body right, build up confidence against the opposing bench, if he is ready to start next December, move Burke to the bench or to another team. Easy fix.

 

[fishonjazz]

I really don't think you will see Burke and Exum together very much. Exum isn't physically ready for more minutes yet, and you don't want to hurt Exum's progression if Burke can't/won't defer. So, easy fix. Play them both as PG's, don't play them together, and after this year, next summer, and halfway through next year, let Exum get his body right, build up confidence against the opposing bench, if he is ready to start next December, move Burke to the bench or to another team. Easy fix.

I think this is how the pg minutes should go as well.
Another side effect off this is that treys value gets increased

 

[Tarkanian]

Here is how I would do the rotations to start the year:

Burke (33 mins)/Exum (15 mins)/Clark (4 mins)
Burks (25 mins)/Hayward (10 mins)/Felix (7 mins)
Hayward (25 mins)/Hood (15 mins)/Novak (10 mins)
Kanter (25 mins)/Booker (25 mins)/Novak (5 mins)
Favors (33 mins)/Gobert (20 mins)

I really don't think you will see Burke and Exum together very much. Exum isn't physically ready for more minutes yet, and you don't want to hurt Exum's progression if Burke can't/won't defer. So, easy fix. Play them both as PG's, don't play them together, and after this year, next summer, and halfway through next year, let Exum get his body right, build up confidence against the opposing bench, if he is ready to start next December, move Burke to the bench or to another team. Easy fix.

gee
looking at this,
maybe Jazz should really think about trading some pieces.
Lots of ball players with similar talents but no All Star talent (except Exum, but he is still in the making)

 

[tleikheen]

Exum isn't physically ready for more minutes yet, and you don't want to hurt Exum's progression if Burke can't/won't defer.

Exum is already one of the most physically talented players in the NBA already,It's already been written he's going to get all the minutes he can handle.
One thing that stands out is that Exum doesn't look like he lacks confidence.The only place he'd lose confidence is sitting on the bench when he knows he's better than Burke and should be playing.Right now he's getting his playing shape in order playing with the Aussie National team,Starting friday the Aussies start playing exhibition games with other National teams.Exum should have 15 high quality games under his belt before he gets to Pre-season,There should be a noticeable change in his playing shape than the SL season.Will he be stronger...no but I'll take playing shape for now.If he's in playing shape ,he'll blow by guys that are *stronger*,because his speed/quickness advantage will trump the *stronger* players.

 

[green]

If you play Exum 30 mins a night you wreck his hammies, his shoulders, maybe hips, wrists and knees. He isn't strong enough to play 30 mins a night against men. Smart destroyed Exum. You think every nba team is t going to just push him around?

 

[GVC]

Huh?

We were having a discussion that you apparently haven't followed. To inform you, Green and GVC from this thread are skeptical about Kanter getting minutes. Others from the other Booker thread share this sentiment.


Cheers.

No one suggested he wouldn't play.

Green related a very good Zach Lowe article about desired big man skills in today's NBA to Kanter lacking those very skills. He pointed out that Booker has been a better passer to this point in his career, and that he may end up starting (at some point). I don't think he implied anywhere that Kanter wouldn't play (significant minutes).

I only stated that it's possible Booker complements the other starting players better than Kanter.

That you're unwilling or unable to engage in a discussion about Kanter's strengths/weaknesses is not our fault. Kanter is a 3 year pro now; if his play doesn't warrant minutes, he probably won't get minutes. I'm a little surprised he played as much as he did last season, considering his complete inability to execute on either end of the court.

 

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Huh?

We were having a discussion that you apparently haven't followed. To inform you, Green and GVC from this thread are skeptical about Kanter getting minutes. Others from the other Booker thread share this sentiment.


Cheers.

His minutes could go down... and... that could still be a lot of minutes... given the average amount of minutes played by an NBA player.

Cheers.