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Zach Lowe tells Utah (and a couple other teams) what to do in free agency

Cy said:
Also, if we add Middleton, that dude is 23 and his cake is definitely still baking, so it would still be baking the cake.
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Do you have him playing the 2? The 3? What happens to Hayward's, Alec's, and Hood's minutes?

Are you one of the guys who wants Burks playing 70% of his minutes at the backup-1 as well?
 
Cy said:
Also, if we add Middleton, that dude is 23 and his cake is definitely still baking, so it would still be baking the cake.
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To me, Middleton is a 3/4-- a position of strength. I know he plays minutes at SG, but I can't really access his defensive ratings against 2-guards (gonna assume it isn't particularly great)-- not only that, but we're deep at SG as well.


I just think that we need to come to terms with three things:


1) our enormous amounts of cap-room does NOT need to be utilized THIS OFFSEASON. Guess what-- we have until February to take on "massive contracts", for pennies. We can pull a Boston, and grab the likes of an Isaiah Thomas for effectively nothing but cap-space. This way, we get from October to February to evaluate our baking-cake, and decide whether we are better off giving up on a giving prospect and addressing a positional need, or if continued nurturing brings us closer to a championship that we all so desire. Think about how many decent players that are gonna be unloaded in preparation for the big-FA sweepstakes (as is literally being done right now a la Danny Green, etc.)
2) the team with the most talent =/= the team that wins. Chemistry matters-- every NBA player will tell you so.
3) there is a spectrum of benefit between asset accumulation and nurturing already-acquired assets. The extreme of either is never the approach you want to take.

We are uniquely in a position where we don't really know what we have with Burks, and we are expecting huge gains from
Hood (the dudes adding a ****ing post-game for God's sake)-- putting either player in roles where they won't succeed could completely nullify any positives brought forth by the likes of Carroll or Green.



Personally, I'm much more willing to hold out until February before we make big swings in roster moves, unless it's to buy-out Tomic, or add some other backup-5. It's interesting that people are unwilling to remove Exum from starting, yet they're willing to jerk around the likes of Hood and Burks.
 
We need to stop buying cake ingredients, and invest in potatoes which are more versatile.
They are easy to bake, fry, boil or mash and all are good.
Potatoes can play multiple positions.
They also stay with you longer than cake does.

#potatoesftw
 
dalamon said:
Do you have him playing the 2? The 3? What happens to Hayward's, Alec's, and Hood's minutes?

Are you one of the guys who wants Burks playing 70% of his minutes at the backup-1 as well?
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dalamon said:
To me, Middleton is a 3/4-- a position of strength. I know he plays minutes at SG, but I can't really access his defensive ratings against 2-guards (gonna assume it isn't particularly great)-- not only that, but we're deep at SG as well.


I just think that we need to come to terms with three things:


1) our enormous amounts of cap-room does NOT need to be utilized THIS OFFSEASON. Guess what-- we have until February to take on "massive contracts", for pennies. We can pull a Boston, and grab the likes of an Isaiah Thomas for effectively nothing but cap-space. This way, we get from October to February to evaluate our baking-cake, and decide whether we are better off giving up on a giving prospect and addressing a positional need, or if continued nurturing brings us closer to a championship that we all so desire. Think about how many decent players that are gonna be unloaded in preparation for the big-FA sweepstakes (as is literally being done right now a la Danny Green, etc.)
2) the team with the most talent =/= the team that wins. Chemistry matters-- every NBA player will tell you so.
3) there is a spectrum of benefit between asset accumulation and nurturing already-acquired assets. The extreme of either is never the approach you want to take.

We are uniquely in a position where we don't really know what we have with Burks, and we are expecting huge gains from
Hood (the dudes adding a ****ing post-game for God's sake)-- putting either player in roles where they won't succeed could completely nullify any positives brought forth by the likes of Carroll or Green.



Personally, I'm much more willing to hold out until February before we make big swings in roster moves, unless it's to buy-out Tomic, or add some other backup-5. It's interesting that people are unwilling to remove Exum from starting, yet they're willing to jerk around the likes of Hood and Burks.
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I wish we had a few months to see how much better the guys are or if it is working before making a move but we really don't get that luxury. Point one is normally valid, but next year not so... every damned team will have ample cap space and some will have too much... Add to that the fact that Philly is the dumping grounds for anything decent and will likely have more space and take less than we would and I'm really not sure a trade like that gets done this year.
 
"Small market teams should waste the money this year because next year the market will dictate you can sign a similar player for a similar price, but you'll have the advantage of possible signing a better fit instead of reaching."

Cliff notes for those too lazy to read.
 
dalamon said:
. It's interesting that people are unwilling to remove Exum from starting, yet they're willing to jerk around the likes of Hood and Burks.
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I find this interesting as well.

Of all the free agent talk from the dudes who want to spend (naos, cy, hey hey, handlogtens heroes, etc) I have not heard a single point guard mentioned..... At least I don't remember hearing of any.


Im a let the cake bake guy but hh, naos, and cy make some good points and move me more to the middle of the discussion
 
fishonjazz said:
I find this interesting as well.

Of all the free agent talk from the dudes who want to spend (naos, cy, hey hey, handlogtens heroes, etc) I have not heard a single point guard mentioned..... At least I don't remember hearing of any.


Im a let the cake bake guy but hh, naos, and cy make some good points and move me more to the middle of the discussion
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I proposed Eric Bledsoe, which would have sent Exum to the bench.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I proposed Eric Bledsoe, which would have sent Exum to the bench.
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Wasn't it a trade proposal though rather than an offer him money in free agency proposal?
Is he a free agent?
 
I'm pretty much dead set on getting Splitter and Mills right now. Its a good enough move to move the needle but doesn't change the dynamic of our team too much.
 
dalamon said:
To me, Middleton is a 3/4-- a position of strength. I know he plays minutes at SG, but I can't really access his defensive ratings against 2-guards (gonna assume it isn't particularly great)-- not only that, but we're deep at SG as well.


I just think that we need to come to terms with three things:


1) our enormous amounts of cap-room does NOT need to be utilized THIS OFFSEASON. Guess what-- we have until February to take on "massive contracts", for pennies. We can pull a Boston, and grab the likes of an Isaiah Thomas for effectively nothing but cap-space. This way, we get from October to February to evaluate our baking-cake, and decide whether we are better off giving up on a giving prospect and addressing a positional need, or if continued nurturing brings us closer to a championship that we all so desire. Think about how many decent players that are gonna be unloaded in preparation for the big-FA sweepstakes (as is literally being done right now a la Danny Green, etc.)
2) the team with the most talent =/= the team that wins. Chemistry matters-- every NBA player will tell you so.
3) there is a spectrum of benefit between asset accumulation and nurturing already-acquired assets. The extreme of either is never the approach you want to take.

We are uniquely in a position where we don't really know what we have with Burks, and we are expecting huge gains from
Hood (the dudes adding a ****ing post-game for God's sake)-- putting either player in roles where they won't succeed could completely nullify any positives brought forth by the likes of Carroll or Green.



Personally, I'm much more willing to hold out until February before we make big swings in roster moves, unless it's to buy-out Tomic, or add some other backup-5. It's interesting that people are unwilling to remove Exum from starting, yet they're willing to jerk around the likes of Hood and Burks.
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All of this. Spending just to spend just feels like a recipe to get Ameachi'ed. . . That is the cake I do not want!!!
 
fishonjazz said:
Wasn't it a trade proposal though rather than an offer him money in free agency proposal?
Is he a free agent?
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true... skim reading... not a whole lot on the FA market I think. Nothing I'd be willing to bench Exum for.

I think Exum fits well with starters as Gordon and hood or Burks can carry the brunt of the offense.
 
Here's Dunc'd on podcast exploring FA options for teams. This one includes Jazz FA talk:
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...views-Of-Thunder-Raptors-Celtics-Jazz-Rockets

Highlights:
-16.3M in capspace is the most we can have if we renounce all non-guaranteeds
-option for the Jazz - Danny Green - if you can get him for 13 that would be a great deal...
-long-term the spot between Hayward and Exum should be 3-and-D guy
-what about 3xMax for Demarre Carroll? Won't tie us for too long, while being high enough offer to pry him away from other teams
-it's better to spend the money on one guy now, rather than next year, because other teams will have money next year.
-ludicrous idea - if something happens with Wade in Miami - make space and try to get Dragic - they think Exum and Dragic backcourt will be amazing.
-a ton of young guys to develop.
-we can be a player on the trade market if some team decides they are desperate to part ways of a great player(Bledsoe).
-Middleton is on the table
-Mirza Teletovic and Darrell Arthur if we want stretch 4 on the cheap.
-in general they think the bigs market won't be good for the Jazz and we should pursue the 3 and D guys - Green, Carroll, Middleton, etc.
 
stitches said:
Here's Dunc'd on podcast exploring FA options for teams. This one includes Jazz FA talk:
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...views-Of-Thunder-Raptors-Celtics-Jazz-Rockets

Highlights:
-16.3M in capspace is the most we can have if we renounce all non-guaranteeds
-option for the Jazz - Danny Green - if you can get him for 13 that would be a great deal...
-long-term the spot between Hayward and Exum should be 3-and-D guy
-what about 3xMax for Demarre Carroll? Won't tie us for too long, while being high enough offer to pry him away from other teams
-it's better to spend the money on one guy now, rather than next year, because other teams will have money next year.
-ludicrous idea - if something happens with Wade in Miami - make space and try to get Dragic - they think Exum and Dragic backcourt will be amazing.
-a ton of young guys to develop.
-we can be a player on the trade market if some team decides they are desperate to part ways of a great player(Bledsoe).
-Middleton is on the table
-Mirza Teletovic and Darrell Arthur if we want stretch 4 on the cheap.
-in general they think the bigs market won't be good for the Jazz and we should pursue the 3 and D guys - Green, Carroll, Middleton, etc.
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Can we offer the contract, have the guy sign, then renounce the contracts? Or do you have to renounce first?
 
fishonjazz said:
I find this interesting as well.

Of all the free agent talk from the dudes who want to spend (naos, cy, hey hey, handlogtens heroes, etc) I have not heard a single point guard mentioned..... At least I don't remember hearing of any.


Im a let the cake bake guy but hh, naos, and cy make some good points and move me more to the middle of the discussion
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Totally willing to bump Exum down the depth chart and trade Burke. Do you have a realistic FA target to justify it?

DAL just doesn't like the idea of moving Burke. His objection has nothing to do with Hood or Burks.
 
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