Neither will happen.
Zimmerman/Martin Jury
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Neither will happen.
I think the posibility of some riots is possible.
I can see demonstrations, I think the reality of the matter will prevent any large scale rioting. Anyone who's paying attention to the trial knows that the prosecution has not proved anything beyond reasonable doubt. If it was clear that this was 100% not self-defense I could see a stronger reaction, but I think it's obvious Zimmerman shot Trayvon in the heat of a physical altercation, one in which Zimmerman was injured. That right there makes a guilty verdict pretty much impossible based on the state seeking 2nd degree murder.
UGLI baby
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Lol sorry for not inventing an opinion and defending it like my life depended on it. Just calling it like I see it.
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True but you are expecting people to act with their heads. I don't, I think it will be all emotion and it will feed upon itself and lead to rioting.
I think there's a decent chance the case gets thrown out as soon as the prosecution rests, which is supposed to be today, so we could find out soon.
The most damning evidence, and it's not much overall, is the interrogation of Zimmerman. Where they finally grill him on his 911 call.
He says he left his car to get an address. The cops even call him out on it. They told him he was following Martin, and that Zimmerman left his vehicle after Martin ran. That's intent right there. He was going to go after this kid. Not ok in for any non police officer.
The call him out on his they always get away, and ****ing punks lines. Shows his intent, and prior disposition to get someone at all costs.
He also admits he knows it was a kid. He is an armed man, getting after his car to go after a child. He lied in his reenactment about
the dispatcher asking him to go find out where he was. There is some damning stuff there.
It's what happened after that that the prosecution hasn't proven anything (at least what I've seen).
In the end he probably will, and should be guilty manslaughter. Nothing more, nothing less.
It's proven that both acted beyond their rights, and both went too far.
It's a pretty common theme amongst stupid people.
That's because it is stupid, you ****ing clod.
Ah, the warm fuzzy feeling and giggling chortle that comes from reading a post by The Thriller where he says something someone else wrote is the dumbest thing he's ever read. I guess he's never previewed one of his own posts then?
Blah, blah, blah, pacifism dude, carpet pissers, come rob my house; I won't stop you, blah, blah, blah. Seriously, just be quiet.
Ute fan. <shrug>
A) Don't care.
B) I hope they are huge. Nothing warms the cockles of my heart like people ripping apart their own city/town, only to have to pay to fix it later.
Gotta admit, even though I brought it up at one point, I don't think it helps the defense much if at all. I don't know the age of the women on the jury but if at least half of them are under 60 then I don't think it'll mean a whole lot to them.
It's such a minimal amount I'm stunned they would bring it up, unless there are some reefer madness idiots on the jury.
The report is they found 1.5 nanograms of THC in his system. To fail a UA for weed, the standard that most drug testing companies use is 40-50 nanograms. And THC is notorious for staying in the fatty cells of a body...many people fail drug tests even after abstaining for a week or two.
This would be like saying someone is drinking after taking a quarter of a teaspoon of some low alcohol crap beer like Budweiser. Sure, I guess they are technically drinking, but to suggest they are intoxicated any way is just idiotic. Though I guess the defense found someone in the state of Florida dumb enough to believe it, though it is Florida.
Well Martin has been portrayed as a saint my large sections of the media. This is a good way to show that he is not. They are attempting to damage his character.
Raise your voice, not your hands...
https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justice/florida-zimmerman-backlash/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRUfzs6I4jk
https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justice/florida-zimmerman-backlash/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRUfzs6I4jk
Not sure if it was brought up in here but a forensic expert testified for the defense. He said that when the shot was fired Martin's shirt and hoodie were a couple inches off his skin. That indicated that Martin was leaning over ZImmerman when he was shot. That would place Zimmerman on his back and Martin over him.
To me that is the most damning thing to the prosecution that I have heard.
Edit: To me, right or wrong, I do not see how Zimmerman gets convicted. To much doubt about what really happened. Reasonable doubt.
To me that is the most damning thing to the prosecution that I have heard.
Edit: To me, right or wrong, I do not see how Zimmerman gets convicted. To much doubt about what really happened. Reasonable doubt.
candrew
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That's one way to look at it. It could also mean Zimmerman had a handful of shirt/jacket in one hand when he shot him with the other.
That would change the trajectory of the bullet. I did not read what the forensic guy said on that. Interesting.
The problem is that we will never really know how it started and happened. Because of that I say Zimmerman walks.
I see two plausible scenarios:
1. Zimmerman gets out and starts following Martin. They get in a verbal arguement. This excalates into pushing and Zimmerman takes a swing at Martin and either misses or barely clips him. Martin defends himself and proceeds to beat Zimmerman up. Zimmerman upon realising he is losing the fight shoots Martin and kills him.
2. Zimmerman gets out and starts following Martin. Verbal arguement. Martin attacks Zimmerman and starts beating him up. Zimmerman in fear for his life shoots Martin. Martin dies.
One is self defense one is murder. The problem is that both are plausible and it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt. It is not. Zimmerman walks.
candrew
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While everything that happend once Martin and Zimmerman engaged one another is up for debate, the bottom line is the moment before that occurred Martin was doing nothing wrong and it was fully appropriate for him to be where he was. For the person who took his life, I think these facts would weigh heavy even on the hardest souls.
No doubt that Zimmerman made stupid decisions that lead up to this tragedy. Such as not listening to the 911 operator. True they cannot order him to do anything but Iw ould listen to the expert that I called on my problem. At most I'd follow him from a safe distance in my car. Just keep him in sight.