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You think he'll be superior to Giannis at playing all 5 positions?? I don't. (I've got Ingram as the best over-sized SF prospect since Giannis, I think he's a better prospect - just watch him shoot..)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JexQRwN4HEs

I'm weary about those LSU measurements, I don't think Ben's a legit 6'10 in shoes. A 7' wingspan and 9' standing reach are probably overstated too. Are his previous measurements not in Julius Randle territory???


Playing Ben at SF next to Favors and Gobert,puts a ton of pressure on the guards to space the floor - I don't really see how that's balanced.. The team would be doomed to the middle of the pack or worse from the 3pt line... Obviously that displaces Hayward to the 2 a bit more too.

Playing him at PF makes more sense for the Jazz, IMO his games best suited for the wing though... At PF for the Jazz, would the rim protection and rebounding still be elite?


Age is also a factor, and IMO the Jazz seem to draft young - Seems their all about player development.. Brandon Ingram's 14 months younger than Ben, He's also much less of a finished product IMO.

Skal for intance is a much more seamless fit, he fits the scheme and everything they try to do with the bigs, he can actually hit mid-range shots with much more consistency than any of our current bigs, plus he'd only add to the defensive and rebounding advantages.. Like I said in the last post, Simmons would totally overhaul the teams dynamic - I kinda like the idea of keeping this blueprint, they just need to cut out some weak links, and replace them with huge talent upgrades, and that should be enough to tip the scales..
 
splendidham said:
2nd post ever! I personally like Ben the most overall. I don't think he's Lebron, I think he'll very much be his own player. However, I think Bender or Skal will end up going first. Gms just don't pass up 7 footers that can shoot with skill these days.
A guy the Jazz could take a look at who I think would be late 1st round atm is Deng Adel from Louisville. Strong chance he climbs in my opinion though. 6'7, great defender, strong, is a slasher but can shoot the 3 as well. He's a really smart player. Going to surprise a lot of people


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Veddy interesting, I thought I was going to be the first person to post something like that (about Bender being able to overtake Simmons spot) Jamal Murray could pass him too.

Deng Adel's not bad pick to crash the 1st round at all, he'd be our 3rd Aussie. I hate to generalize, but there seems to be quite the pipeline of Australian-Sudanese basketball talent making its way to the NBA, most of the highly touted ones look very legit IMO . Stands to reason Deng could benefit from the Ray Smith injury. I like him better than some of these older SF's mocked in the late 1st round, like Jake Layman, and Troy Williams.


If he shoots it well from 3, which he's more than capable of doing, I could certainly see him near the first round. He'd fit well on this roster too I like Timothe Luwawu better, Adel could very well be a better fit though - been waiting for an over-sized SF to get drafted here for years.
 
splendidham said:
2nd post ever! I personally like Ben the most overall. I don't think he's Lebron, I think he'll very much be his own player. However, I think Bender or Skal will end up going first. Gms just don't pass up 7 footers that can shoot with skill these days.
A guy the Jazz could take a look at who I think would be late 1st round atm is Deng Adel from Louisville. Strong chance he climbs in my opinion though. 6'7, great defender, strong, is a slasher but can shoot the 3 as well. He's a really smart player. Going to surprise a lot of people


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Deng also has the advatage that he will have a nice steady supply of strippers to keep him up for the games.
 
PG_AB said:
Veddy interesting, I thought I was going to be the first person to post something like that (about Bender being able to overtake Simmons spot) Jamal Murray could pass him too.

Deng Adel's not bad pick to crash the 1st round at all, he'd be our 3rd Aussie. I hate to generalize, but there seems to be quite the pipeline of Australian-Sudanese basketball talent making its way to the NBA, most of the highly touted ones look very legit IMO . Stands to reason Deng could benefit from the Ray Smith injury. I like him better than some of these older SF's mocked in the late 1st round, like Jake Layman, and Troy Williams.


If he shoots it well from 3, which he's more than capable of doing, I could certainly see him near the first round. He'd fit well on this roster too I like Timothe Luwawu better, Adel could very well be a better fit though - been waiting for an over-sized SF to get drafted here for years.
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Bender so far with modest numbers in Israel. Playing about 13 minutes a game. Of course though this is a professional league playing against grown men. Interesting to see if his numbers go up as the year goes along. Then again if they think he is headed to NBA after this season what incentive do they have to play him much.
 
Drafting Simmons would be best. Just trade Lyles as fast as possible for something. Have Simmons back-up Favors for 2 years (that is how long he will have left on his contract once Simmons is drafted). Re-evaluate once Favors is up for a contract to either move on with Simmons or stick with Favors with Simmons as his back-up.
 
Adel? Srsly?

He will likely climb to being Louisville's best player on their trash team. He could possibly make it to first round but he's nothing special.
 
King Cy said:
Drafting Simmons would be best. Just trade Lyles as fast as possible for something. Have Simmons back-up Favors for 2 years (that is how long he will have left on his contract once Simmons is drafted). Re-evaluate once Favors is up for a contract to either move on with Simmons or stick with Favors with Simmons as his back-up.
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Great plan.

Let's hope the FO is reading this thread.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Adel? Srsly?

He will likely climb to being Louisville's best player on their trash team. He could possibly make it to first round but he's nothing special.
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He'a also just a few months younger than Trey Lyles, which makes him damn old for the class, he'll turn 20 before march madness
 
splendidham said:
2nd post ever! I personally like Ben the most overall. I don't think he's Lebron, I think he'll very much be his own player. However, I think Bender or Skal will end up going first. Gms just don't pass up 7 footers that can shoot with skill these days.
A guy the Jazz could take a look at who I think would be late 1st round atm is Deng Adel from Louisville. Strong chance he climbs in my opinion though. 6'7, great defender, strong, is a slasher but can shoot the 3 as well. He's a really smart player. Going to surprise a lot of people


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lol... fail.
We still love ya tho.
 
NCJazz said:
Bender so far with modest numbers in Israel. Playing about 13 minutes a game. Of course though this is a professional league playing against grown men. Interesting to see if his numbers go up as the year goes along. Then again if they think he is headed to NBA after this season what incentive do they have to play him much.
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Oh he's headed to the NBA.. the more I watch Bender, the more I'm amazed at his lateral movement and overall body control/coordination, he's a legit 7-footer with fantastic court vision too...

He's hands down the best prospect in Europe IMO.

I've become convinced he's still got plenty of room for improvement athletically - he can add more vertical explosion to his game..
 
Dr. Jones said:
Great plan.

Let's hope the FO is reading this thread.
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I'm sure you can appreciate what a ridiculously terrible plan that is.. It'd almost certainly backfire on all parties involved.. It doesn't make sense on at-least 10 fronts


Thats a re-build plan anyway - I don't see how you could advocate that at this point, it's not about talent or fit, it's about Ben Simmons needs the ball to be most effective..

I refuse to believe The F/O's going to grow this team all near the same age, then hand the keys over to young Ben Simmons after seasons of grooming him on the bench.. Is that really what some here think its gonna take to get over the hill??? Sheesh.

C'mon son!!!! ****'s a pipedream, and not a well thought out one.. It's certainly not in Ben's best interests either..


most everyone agrees this team (when healthy) is good enough to make a run at the playoffs, considering the average age of the team, there's no reason to do something as drastic as an All-in move for Simmons..


Simmons skillset, especially at NBA PF deviates from the apparent direction the team/roster is being built in... Ben Simmons most "NBA ready skill" is his ability to jumpstart the ball movement, the Jazz are obviously built on defense and rebounding though, to me, It makes much more sense to upgrade the 3pt shooting over the ball-movement.
 
Yup, if we somehow lucked into the #1 draft pick through the lottery, I'm taking BPA (and yes I understand that is subjective and you probably disagree on who BPA is), not fit. Sorry if that is a terrible plan. To each his own.
 
And the Jazz just drafted Trey Lyles over Devin Booker, so that tells me they really value a unique playmaker at the 4 over a shooter on the wing.
 
20 Hours til the season starts. Final preseason mock. the colored #'s are tiers.

1 - Skal Labissiere 7'0 PF/C - Kentucky
2 - Brandon Ingram 6'10 SF - Duke
3 - Jamal Murray 6'5" PG/SG - Kentucky
4 - Dragan Bender 7'0 PF/SF - Maccabi Tel Aviv
5 - Ben Simmons 6'9½" SF/PF - LSU
6 - Jaylen Brown 6'6" SG - Cal
7 - Kris Dunn 6'4" PG - Providence
8 - Cheick Diallo 6'9" PF - Kansas
9 - Malik Newman 6'3½" SG/PG - Mississippi St.
10 - Henry Ellenson 6'10 PF - Marquette
11 - Stephen Zimmerman 7'0 PF/C - UNLV
12 - Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk 6'7" SG - Kansas
13 - Jonathan Jeanne 7'2" C - France
14 - Zhou Qi 7'2" C - China
15 - Ivan Rabb 6'10" - Cal
16 - Isaiah Briscoe 6'3" PG/SG - Kentucky
17 - Jakob Poeltl 7'1" C - Utah
18 - Furkan Korkmaz 6'7" SG - Turkey
19 - Timothe Luwawu 6'7" SF/SG - France
20 - Diamond Stone 6'10" PF/C - Maryland
21 - Damian Jones 7' PF/C - Vanderbilt
22 - Demetrius Jackson 6'1" PG - Notre Dame
23 - Dwayne Bacon 6'6" SG/SF - FSU
24 - Antonio Blakeney 6'4" SG - LSU
25 - Vasilis Charalampopoulos 6'8" SF - Greece
26 - Taurean Prince 6'8" - SF - Baylor
27 - Derryck Thornton 6'1" PG - Duke
28 - Tyler Ulis 5'9" PG - Kentucky
29 - Domantas Sabonis 6'10" PF - Gonzaga
30 - Melo Trimble 6'2" PG - Maryland

Honorable mention list instead of a 2nd round..
Caris LaVert - SG - Michigan
Ivica Zubac - C - Croatia
Malik Pope - PF/SF - SDSU
Jalen Adams - PG - UConn
Nigel Hayes - PF - Wisconsin
Tim Quarterman - PG/SG - LSU
Aleksander Vezenkov - PF - Cyprus
Alpha Kaba - PF - France
Buddy Hield - SG - Oklahoma
Marcus Lee - PF - Kentucky
Justin Jackson - SG - UNC
Thomas Bryant - PF - Indiana
Troy Williams - SF - Indiana
James Blackmon - SG - Indiana
Jalen Brunson - PG - Villanova
Allonzo Trier - SG - Arizona
Deng Adel - SF - Louisville
Theo Pinson - SF - UNC
Wade Baldwin - PG - Vanderbilt
Daniel Hamilton - SG - UConn
Grayson Allen - SG - Duke
Edin Atic - SG - Bosnia and Herzegovina
Perry Dozier- PG/SG - South Carolina
Isaia Coordinier - SG - France
 
PG_AB said:
20 Hours til the season starts. Final preseason mock. the colored #'s are tiers.

1 - Skal Labissiere 7'0 PF/C - Kentucky
2 - Brandon Ingram 6'10 SF - Duke
3 - Jamal Murray 6'5" PG/SG - Kentucky
4 - Dragan Bender 7'0 PF/SF - Maccabi Tel Aviv
5 - Ben Simmons 6'9½" SF/PF - LSU
6 - Jaylen Brown 6'6" SG - Cal
7 - Kris Dunn 6'4" PG - Providence
8 - Cheick Diallo 6'9" PF - Kansas
9 - Malik Newman 6'3½" SG/PG - Mississippi St.
10 - Henry Ellenson 6'10 PF - Marquette
11 - Stephen Zimmerman 7'0 PF/C - UNLV
12 - Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk 6'7" SG - Kansas
13 - Jonathan Jeanne 7'2" C - France
14 - Zhou Qi 7'2" C - China
15 - Ivan Rabb 6'10" - Cal
16 - Isaiah Briscoe 6'3" PG/SG - Kentucky
17 - Jakob Poeltl 7'1" C - Utah
18 - Furkan Korkmaz 6'7" SG - Turkey
19 - Timothe Luwawu 6'7" SF/SG - France
20 - Diamond Stone 6'10" PF/C - Maryland
21 - Damian Jones 7' PF/C - Vanderbilt
22 - Demetrius Jackson 6'1" PG - Notre Dame
23 - Dwayne Bacon 6'6" SG/SF - FSU
24 - Antonio Blakeney 6'4" SG - LSU
25 - Vasilis Charalampopoulos 6'8" SF - Greece
26 - Taurean Prince 6'8" - SF - Baylor
27 - Derryck Thornton 6'1" PG - Duke
28 - Tyler Ulis 5'9" PG - Kentucky
29 - Domantas Sabonis 6'10" PF - Gonzaga
30 - Melo Trimble 6'2" PG - Maryland

Honorable mention list instead of a 2nd round..
Caris LaVert - SG - Michigan
Ivica Zubac - C - Croatia
Malik Pope - PF/SF - SDSU
Jalen Adams - PG - UConn
Nigel Hayes - PF - Wisconsin
Tim Quarterman - PG/SG - LSU
Aleksander Vezenkov - PF - Cyprus
Alpha Kaba - PF - France
Buddy Hield - SG - Oklahoma
Marcus Lee - PF - Kentucky
Justin Jackson - SG - UNC
Thomas Bryant - PF - Indiana
Troy Williams - SF - Indiana
James Blackmon - SG - Indiana
Jalen Brunson - PG - Villanova
Allonzo Trier - SG - Arizona
Deng Adel - SF - Louisville
Theo Pinson - SF - UNC
Wade Baldwin - PG - Vanderbilt
Daniel Hamilton - SG - UConn
Grayson Allen - SG - Duke
Edin Atic - SG - Bosnia and Herzegovina
Perry Dozier- PG/SG - South Carolina
Isaia Coordinier - SG - France
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Brown should be in the 2nd tier.
Dunn a bit too high.
Ellenson a bit too high.
Diallo a bit too high
Rabb a bit too low.

Not sure who else I move up.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Brown should be in the 2nd tier.
Dunn a bit too high.
Ellenson a bit too high.
Diallo a bit too high
Rabb a bit too low.

Not sure who else I move up.
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Yeah.

Mykhailiuk is probably too high. He seems primed for a major bounce-back campaign, reportedly added 20lbs of muscle.

For a variety of reasons(Injuries/Weight loss) Ellenson is a wildcard right now, He shouldn't be beneath Diamond Stone on any mocks though.. I don't know how NBAdarft deduced that:confused:.. If Ellenson shoots 3's, grabs rebounds and showcases his handle, he will get drafted near the lottery.

I've gone back and forth on Diallo - I've settled on him being very low risk, he might not ever be all that skilled, I think he can avoid the pitfalls of Tyrus Thomas and Bismack Biyombo though, he's no one trick pony. I think he'll somehow be very productive..

I could see an NBA team viewing him as a great change of pace off the bench, he's very raw, but there's aspects of his game that are ready to contribute.

Ultimately Rabb's probably a better long term project. It's a safe bet that those international players listed, won't all declare this year.. probably just one of Zhou Qi or Jonathan Jeanne, which would bump Rabb up a spot into the lottery.
 
PG_AB said:
Yeah.

Mykhailiuk is probably too high. He seems primed for a major bounce-back campaign, reportedly added 20lbs of muscle.

For a variety of reasons(Injuries/Weight loss) Ellenson is a wildcard right now, He shouldn't be beneath Diamond Stone on any mocks though.. I don't know how NBAdarft deduced that:confused:.. If Ellenson shoots 3's, grabs rebounds and showcases his handle, he will get drafted near the lottery.

I've gone back and forth on Diallo - I've settled on him being very low risk, he might not ever be all that skilled, I think he can avoid the pitfalls of Tyrus Thomas and Bismack Biyombo though, he's no one trick pony. I think he'll somehow be very productive..

I could see an NBA team viewing him as a great change of pace off the bench, he's very raw, but there's aspects of his game that are ready to contribute.

Ultimately Rabb's probably a better long term project. I don't think all the international players in that mock will declare this year, probably just one of Zhou Qi or Jonathan Jeanne, which would bump Rabb into the lottery.
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Agree with all that. Diallo is pretty safe due to athleticism and motor.
 
PG_AB said:
Yeah.

Mykhailiuk is probably too high. He seems primed for a major bounce-back campaign, reportedly added 20lbs of muscle.

For a variety of reasons(Injuries/Weight loss) Ellenson is a wildcard right now, He shouldn't be beneath Diamond Stone on any mocks though.. I don't know how NBAdarft deduced that:confused:.. If Ellenson shoots 3's, grabs rebounds and showcases his handle, he will get drafted near the lottery.

I've gone back and forth on Diallo - I've settled on him being very low risk, he might not ever be all that skilled, I think he can avoid the pitfalls of Tyrus Thomas and Bismack Biyombo though, he's no one trick pony. I think he'll somehow be very productive..

I could see an NBA team viewing him as a great change of pace off the bench, he's very raw, but there's aspects of his game that are ready to contribute.

Ultimately Rabb's probably a better long term project. It's a safe bet that those international players listed, won't all declare this year.. probably just one of Zhou Qi or Jonathan Jeanne, which would bump Rabb up a spot into the lottery.
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You forgetting nigel hayes?
 
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