Looking for a new team

[Shad]

Trying to win it all without ruining your chance by over paying one dimensional players like Boozer and Okur.

I guess it is blind faith. Your saying more than I am? All you've really done is bitch about the direction they are going. And showing your utter lack of faith in anything they've done. They are taking the approach of building from within instead of throwing money at over priced FA's that may or may not fit together. Last time they did the opposite, they threw money at Boozer, AK and Okur and hoped they would work, that team was seriously flawed.
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I see potential in this team, and because they are trying to build this way it takes more time than last time. They could easily scrap the whole thing and try the same approach as last time. Just let Hayward, Favors, and Burks expire and throw money at whomever the better FA's at the time are. I think our real difference is you don't see potential in this team and I do. Call it blind faith, or disagree. Whatever you feel like, but I still like the direction of this team. I like the potential of this team. I am willing to be more patient than you are. I don't even really give a **** what the franchise is saying, I see potential on this roster. So I have faith in the direction they are going.

Throwing money at Okur, Boozer, and AK were A LOT more enjoyable to watch then ANY OF THE LAST 6 SEASONS. In the last 6 seasons we have been to the playoffs 1 time and got swept. KOC got stuff done and pretty much always kept us relevant (Drafting DWill, getting Boozer and Okur, made it successful)((AND GUESS WHAT? LOL! Boozer,Memo, and Okur were hurt in these years too! We still made the playoffs!))

 

[Shad]

Uh...Favors and Hayward have more experience (6 seasons each) than either Boozer or Okur when KOC signed them (2 seasons each). The top players on those Jazz teams had LESS NBA experience when they first made the playoffs than the top players on the current team.

Hit it right on the head. Boozer, Okur, and DWill had far less NBA experience and still made it to the playoffs more than any current player. It's time for some major changes, whether that's players or the front office.

 

[ncoloradojazz]

Part of it is Utah is not a sexy destination for free agents. Just face it, It is the truth. Big fanbase since they have the whole state but a lot of fans act like players are a piece of meat. Treat them like crap after they leave. No reason Utah couldn't be the Green Bay of the NBA. A small market team who wins, Oh wait that is the Spurs but still small market teams can be beastly. GB in Football, St Louis Cardinals in MLB, Spurs in the NBA..

 

[ncoloradojazz]

He was older and far more experienced. That was the point of my post. And yet Deron was never good enough to get this team even mildly into title contention.

Better then anyone else the Jazz have had since however. He made the WCF against spurs with a roster with a guy like Okur starting. Hayard just gets them, to lottery after lottery. Making the WCF with that roster shows how good Deron was before the injuries.. Lost to the Spurs, No shame in that. The Jazz ceiling at the moment is lottery again next year, or if they have a fantastic year its a playoff series and they lose within 6 games. That is the celing of the Jazz as the current roster is at the moment.. GSW, Spurs, OKC, CLippers are clearly the top 4 team and I don't see the Jazz winning but maybe one playoff game against them

 

[ncoloradojazz]

If you se potential in this team then its called BLIND FAITH because anyone with even a little bball iq wil ltell you the celing is not high for this roster. Lack a go to guy. I said the Blazers would be better this year and so many of you called me names BUT yet I was hundred percent right. Nuggets roster is more promising then the JAzz. If you are a fan then that is great just be a fan but when you want to talk hoops and be taken serious you cant be a Homer

 

[Fakers Luck]

Develop homegrown talent for whom? Trade when? If Gordo walks for nothing, won't that at least get some of the apologists to start questioning DL's competence?

Last year? What about the year before? Or the year before that? Or the year before that? We're going into DL's 5th season as GM (this is his 4th full offseason). The best player he's traded for is Shelvin Mack, who couldn't even get PT on a treadmill team in the Eastern Conference (with that said, it was a nice little trade). The best free agent or waiver acquisition he's made is for Trevor Booker. In 4 seasons as GM.

If you're not tanking, you have to be active in adding talent, especially if you operate in Utah. DL might be the least active GM in the league. For me, this offseason and Gordo's future represent DL's last chance to get something right.

Remember during DL's first summer when someone on here posted the ending of a game of Windows Solitaire and called it a good day at DL's office? People were pretty butthurt about that IIRC.

 

[Shad]

Remember during DL's first summer when someone on here posted the ending of a game of Windows Solitaire and called it a good day at DL's office? People were pretty butthurt about that IIRC.

I laughed when I read this.

 

[fishonjazz]

(Drafting DWill, getting Boozer and Okur, made it successful)((AND GUESS WHAT? LOL! Boozer,Memo, and Okur were hurt in these years too! We still made the playoffs!))

Why did we make the playoffs those years? D-will. How did we get d-will? Free agency? Trade? Nope. Drafted him. Just like we drafted our core players and we have a bunch of future picks too.

Getting that star player is the first and hardest step. Then you toss money at guys like boozer and okur.

If we didn't draft d-will and still threw money at boozer and memo then how good would we have been? Not very good. And when boozer and memo go down with injury? Really really bad.
This team doesn't have d-will caliber player yet but otherwise are set up just as good as that team. Or better. And one of these guys on the team or that we get in the next few years in draft might be the d-will caliber player and then suddenly we are very very good since we already have a ton of really good 2nd options and role players.

So koc got the third pick in a draft that had d-will and cp3 available for him to choose from. And that means he did a great job? Without d will that team wouldn't have been any good. Hell, he should have taken cp3 anyway. So in hindsight he screwed up.

 

[MDAV28]

Why did we make the playoffs those years? D-will. How did we get d-will? Free agency? Trade? Nope. Drafted him. Just like we drafted our core players and we have a bunch of future picks too.

Getting that star player is the first and hardest step. Then you toss money at guys like boozer and okur.

If we didn't draft d-will and still threw money at boozer and memo then how good would we have been? Not very good. And when boozer and memo go down with injury? Really really bad.
This team doesn't have d-will caliber player yet but otherwise are set up just as good as that team. Or better. And one of these guys on the team or that we get in the next few years in draft might be the d-will caliber player and then suddenly we are very very good since we already have a ton of really good 2nd options and role players.

So koc got the third pick in a draft that had d-will and cp3 available for him to choose from. And that means he did a great job? Without d will that team wouldn't have been any good. Hell, he should have taken cp3 anyway. So in hindsight he screwed up.

It's not worth it man.

 

[fishonjazz]

It's not worth it man.

Word. Good advice.

 

[Shad]

So koc got the third pick in a draft that had d-will and cp3 available for him to choose from. And that means he did a great job? Without d will that team wouldn't have been any good. Hell, he should have taken cp3 anyway. So in hindsight he screwed up.

Just like taking Gordo over Paul George LOL! Who, guess what? Carried his team into the playoffs.

 

[Fakers Luck]

That's a complete mischaracterization of my opinion. I wanted the Jazz to tank again this season; I don't mind them losing if the goal is to win it all. Patience is not the problem at all.

When the Jazz had high picks in 2011, they whiffed, while the two best teams during this past regular season hit home runs that year (Klay T./Kawhi L.). When Millsap and Big Al were lame ducks, the Jazz just sat on their thumbs and got nada. All they got was "flexibility". No free agents came, no lucrative trades were made to fill the space with studs/high picks, so the cap relief/flexibility story was total bunk.

It's tough to look back and not get frustrated. When all is said and done...life is too short to let this stupid game make me an emotional wreck. I have to take a step back, not spend money to support the organization, and just chill. It can still be fun to keep tabs on the draft, player development and whatnot as long as i don't become too emotionally invested. I keep getting sucked back in though if I catch a game on tv. A 30 year habit is tough to break.