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[Cappy_Smurf]

Let's face it. The last 6 years have been nothing short of a train wreck. Even when they decided to wreck the train they couldn't even get it off the rails. They've let players walk for nothing to "rebuild", but they never actually rebuilt. Now we are hearing Hayward saying he thinks a lot about leaving for a contender, don't have any great draft picks, have an injury prone roster that was obviously bound for it (Burks and Favors), have wasted draft pick after draft pick but gotten lucky in the later rounds, fail to spend money to add assets last offseason, have passed up on some pretty sweet opportunities to add a killer point guard...


Tell me why I should stay loyal to an organization that refuses to put a product on the floor while dragging their feet raking in cash with the lowest payroll in professional sports? Do the Millers deserve my fandom? No.

I just printed this out and wiped my *** with it. My *** deserves better.

 

[green]

nah, in two years (favors last year of his contract) our team will be good enough, experienced enough, familiar enough with the coaches and each other, and hopefully healthy enough to be really good. Favors will want to stay with what he helped build.

I agree with GVC on all this. I said this in an earlier thread, but compare this team to Deron's team:

Deron > Exum
I don't even remember who the two guard was. I won't remember Burks/Hood in six years either, so a wash.
AK=Hayward
Boozer>Favors
Memo>Gobert

So, the chances of this team being as good as Deron's are slim to none, and that team's ceiling was a fourth seed?

 

[green]

You think DL's done a better job these last 4 years than KOC did in the 2 years between the 2003 offseason and the 2005 draft? Jesus. He had far more to work with, and has far less to show for it.

Imagine if DL had NOT "tanked". Where would our lineup look today?

Veteran PG/Mack
Hayward/Burks
Carroll/Hood
Millsap/Kanter
Favors/Gobert

THAT team wins 55 games. Especially with Snyder as the coach.

So, what did DL get us exactly?

 

[green]

I've said this 100 times in other threads, but if Gordon and Favors are our best players, we aren't going far.

Exum is a couple years away from his ceiling. Gobert is 50% of a great player, 50% a DLeague player.

IF you can move Favors and/or Hayward for a top 3 pick next year (ala Brooklyn's) DO IT.

We aren't going anywhere with this team. Getting a top 3 pick next year at least gives you hope.

Right, any hope in this team is a person living in ignorance. Especially when you look around at the teams next to Utah. Minnesota is about to blow by Utah, NO has better top end talent than Utah, as does Sacramento. Portland will only get better. LA won't be down for long. GS isn't going anywhere. The Clippers will continue to be better than Utah. SA with LA and Leonard will be better.

Utah's ceiling with this group is a 7-8 seed. Most years we will be 8-10...just like Big Al and Corbin. Yikes.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Imagine if DL had NOT "tanked". Where would our lineup look today?

Veteran PG/Mack
Hayward/Burks
Carroll/Hood
Millsap/Kanter
Favors/Gobert

THAT team wins 55 games. Especially with Snyder as the coach.

So, what did DL get us exactly?

55 games BS

 

[green]

What happens if Hornacek succeeds in NY?

Will DL have done anything right?

 

[Ron Mexico]

Hit it right on the head. Boozer, Okur, and DWill had far less NBA experience and still made it to the playoffs more than any current player. It's time for some major changes, whether that's players or the front office.

They also had Fisher, AK and Harpring contributing a lot on that team to winning. If you give this current Jazz team the same lvl of players as those three I think they make the playoffs just fine next year. Also he was comparing NBA exp not age. Favors came in to the league younger than Boozer and memo.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I agree with GVC on all this. I said this in an earlier thread, but compare this team to Deron's team:

Duh, captain of the pessimist unless its the Utes.

Deron > Exum
I don't even remember who the two guard was. I won't remember Burks/Hood in six years either, so a wash.
AK=Hayward
Boozer>Favors
Memo>Gobert

So, the chances of this team being as good as Deron's are slim to none, and that team's ceiling was a fourth seed?

DWill is better than Exum. But we only saw Exum as a 19 year old rookie. I think Exum has a higher ceiling. Lets give him time to see what happens. If Exum can average 11 points and 4 assists in 29 minutes a game this season he is on the same track as DWill since Exum will be the same age this coming season as DWills's rookie year.

Ill take Hood/Burk and their potential over Giracek and Brewer

Ill take Hayward over AK. I wish AK did more but once DWill and company were on the team he was not at the level of Hayward. Ak was a better defender but Hayward was solid this season. Hayward is a much better offensive player. At the same age in the NBA AK averaged 8 points and 3 assists. Hayward averaged 20 points and 3 assists. Hayward also averaged more rebounds.

Boozer and Favors at the same age averaged the same amount of points and the same rebounds. Favors is on another level defensively compared to Boozer at that age. Favors is a much better all around player. He would thrive if he had Dwill as a PG and Memo spacing the floor for him.

Memo is better than Gobert but they are about opposites. Was Memo a better offensive player than Gobert is a defensive player? Gobert is the same age this season as Memo's rookie year where he averaged 7 points per game.

Hayward and DWill had about the same college experience before the NBA. Age 26 was the best year for DWIll, lets see what Hayward does next year. They are not that far off from each others lvl of play at 25.

This roster currently has more upside. They are better than those players at this age. The Jazz the year they went to the playoffs had some veteran presence this team doesnt have. The future of this team looks bright and has a good upside. Some of those Jazz players took some jumps the next years after the same ages as our current Jazz players. Why wouldn't you hope or think our current players could make those jumps?

Not sure how people dont see any upside with this roster. They are quite young and playing very well for their age.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Duh, captain of the pessimist unless its the Utes.



DWill is better than Exum. But we only saw Exum as a 19 year old rookie. I think Exum has a higher ceiling. Lets give him time to see what happens. If Exum can average 11 points and 4 assists in 29 minutes a game this season he is on the same track as DWill since Exum will be the same age this coming season as DWills's rookie year.

Ill take Hood/Burk and their potential over Giracek and Brewer

Ill take Hayward over AK. I wish AK did more but once DWill and company were on the team he was not at the level of Hayward. Ak was a better defender but Hayward was solid this season. Hayward is a much better offensive player. At the same age in the NBA AK averaged 8 points and 3 assists. Hayward averaged 20 points and 3 assists. Hayward also averaged more rebounds.

Boozer and Favors at the same age averaged the same amount of points and the same rebounds. Favors is on another level defensively compared to Boozer at that age. Favors is a much better all around player. He would thrive if he had Dwill as a PG and Memo spacing the floor for him.

Memo is better than Gobert but they are about opposites. Was Memo a better offensive player than Gobert is a defensive player? Gobert is the same age this season as Memo's rookie year where he averaged 7 points per game.

Hayward and DWill had about the same college experience before the NBA. Age 26 was the best year for DWIll, lets see what Hayward does next year. They are not that far off from each others lvl of play at 25.

This roster currently has more upside. They are better than those players at this age. The Jazz the year they went to the playoffs had some veteran presence this team doesnt have. The future of this team looks bright and has a good upside. Some of those Jazz players took some jumps the next years after the same ages as our current Jazz players. Why wouldn't you hope or think our current players could make those jumps?

Not sure how people dont see any upside with this roster. They are quite young and playing very well for their age.

As far as Favors goes, i think Exum/Favors pick&roll is going to be a beast

 

[Ron Mexico]

As far as Favors goes, i think Exum/Favors pick&roll is going to be a beast

Exum was also very good at feeding Gobert. No one else seems to consistently put the ball in the right place for him. It will be nice to have a real PG who likes to pass and thinks about who to get the ball to, where they should get it and when.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Exum was also very good at feeding Gobert. No one else seems to consistently put the ball in the right place for him. It will be nice to have a real PG who likes to pass and thinks about who to get the ball to, where they should get it and when.

i don't remember Rudy dropping anywhere near as many of Exum's passes as others. I think Dante's passing was underrated given his experience level. He always seemed to make the right pass on a fast break, and showed really good vision. He's a point, pure and simple. Don't agree with the whole combo guard view of him.

 

[fishonjazz]

I agree with GVC on all this. I said this in an earlier thread, but compare this team to Deron's team:

Deron > Exum
I don't even remember who the two guard was. I won't remember Burks/Hood in six years either, so a wash.
AK=Hayward
Boozer>Favors
Memo>Gobert

So, the chances of this team being as good as Deron's are slim to none, and that team's ceiling was a fourth seed?

There were more than 4 players on each team though first off. 2nd, we don't know if memo > gobert with 2 more years under his belt. We don't know how good exum will be in two years.

Lyles and hood and Burks two years from now might be better than the 5th, 6th, and 7th best players on d-wills team.

D-wills team was spending hella cash (ak was getting paid big time) and I remember then being over the salary cap. This team has lots o money to spend. I don't think d-wills team had a stockpile of future first round draft picks coming up.

It's obvious that d-will team is better than this team currently. This team is not ready yet. Give them a few years and I could see their ceiling being as good as d will team. Which would be a good thing. That team was lots of fun to watch imo.
We won't ever be true contenders without a super star though. You have to be really lucky to be a contender. Right now if you don't have durant, curry, lebron, or pop with leonard aldridge and a bunch of hall of famers then you don't have a chance.