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US Pulling Out of Paris Climate Accord

Red, you neglected to mention geothermal development. I think that is the really hot alternative energy that is already proven. Wind turbines may not prove economical competitively due to cost and useful life and natural variances in winds. Solar is now economical for homes and ranches, anywhere that transmission losses and infrastructure add up.

I actually don't think coal will survive the challenge of natural gas competition anyway. The immense reserves of natural gas just simply mean we'll leave the coal in the ground for a century....or longer.

Big Oil has taken a strong investment position in renewable energy already. They are glad to sink the upstart little competitors with lower prices for oh maybe forever, and just be the kings of Lithium, geothermal, solar, and LENR.

all this, imo, means the political Accord is meaningless except for it's usefulness in implementing global fascism.
 
Red said:
T this ignorance of truth, of science, of educated values.
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what truth?
what science?


every single climate model so far has failed!

they had to change the name from global cooling to global warming to climate change!
more co2 means more green, more bvegitation, more humid air!


the world was alreayd supposed to have ended according to these climate change models!
if the world wa sin danger of flooding! why is lowlaying beachfront property still at a premium!




even if man made catastrophic climate change was real, the paris accord would not STOP it!
 
OMG i am scared for 2015 to come!

OMG NOO

god save us
cant afford milk 13 dollars a gallon gas prices are ZOMG 9 dollars

lolz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_WHQkPrhjg


ooh wait it's 2017 we SURVIVED! thank god how did we survive!
 
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The leadership in California is so much more enlightened then the current leadership in Washington. And I will say, having listened to Presdent Macron's address to the American people and American scientists, I have far more respect for him then the current occupant of the White House, for whom I have no respect. Reports from within the administration indicate that the put down Macron laid upon Trump when Macron talked about his handshake with Trump, irritated Trump no end. Lol. Good for Macron. It was a beautiful thing to see. In the meantime, California will continue to lead the way here in the United States:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X9_bBhRbuwQ
 
babe said:
Red, you neglected to mention geothermal development. I think that is the really hot alternative energy that is already proven. Wind turbines may not prove economical competitively due to cost and useful life and natural variances in winds. Solar is now economical for homes and ranches, anywhere that transmission losses and infrastructure add up.

I actually don't think coal will survive the challenge of natural gas competition anyway. The immense reserves of natural gas just simply mean we'll leave the coal in the ground for a century....or longer.

Big Oil has taken a strong investment position in renewable energy already. They are glad to sink the upstart little competitors with lower prices for oh maybe forever, and just be the kings of Lithium, geothermal, solar, and LENR.

all this, imo, means the political Accord is meaningless except for it's usefulness in implementing global fascism.
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I agree, geothermal energy does show promise....

Although Rhode Island installed the first offshore wind turbine farm in the United States, and indeed, the waters off New England are considered among the best location for exploiting wind of any ocean location on Earth. The next project will involve an even bigger wind farm off the eastern shores of Long Island. So, the most densely populated corridor in the United States will greatly benefit from the development of wind farms.
 
DutchJazzer said:
he should move to california!


if the leadership of clai is so good, why do people vote with their feet and leave cali for texas and other "climate denying" states
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Uhhh almost 40 million people live there. They added a quarter million last year alone. I might have moved to California years ago if it wasn't ungodly expensive.
 
DutchJazzer said:
[MENTION=54]Beantown[/MENTION]!


yeah negrepping me with that! on this post




so what who the **** cares about subsidies and tax breaks!

i am a libertarian! i am against most forms of taxation! and against any and all government subsidies

taxbreaks who cares! it is not the governments money!
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A tax break is a subsidy. Oil companies get massive subsidies. Solar has a 30% tax break.

If you don't know about this stuff don't comment on it.
 
Beantown said:
A tax break is a subsidy. Oil companies get massive subsidies. Solar has a 30% tax break.

If you don't know about this stuff don't comment on it.
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Oh Beanclown, I wonder if you will ever figure out why you are considered the forum fool. [MENTION=146]DutchJazzer[/MENTION], have fun with this t-ball.
 
♪alt13 said:
I would sell my home and try my hand at ranching/farming if not for the fact that my wife would be miserable.
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Me too me thinks
 
Beantown said:
A tax break is a subsidy. Oil companies get massive subsidies. Solar has a 30% tax break.

If you don't know about this stuff don't comment on it.
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Agreeing on a definition of terms is the most basic condition for a good faith argument or even just a civil conversation. Instead of simply asking for clarification, all too often past slights and petty grievances run everything off the rails with insults.

Anyway, my understanding is that a subsidy is direct aid or some kind of monetary allowance provided by the government whereas a tax credit is a reduction in taxable income. That’s an elemental difference. Maybe it’s too simple and I’m missing something because it is true that subsidy and tax credit or tax break are often used interchangeably as a matter of course by many publications and commentators.

Still, there are economists that make a real point of not conflating them. Here’s an article that elaborates on the difference:

https://mises.org/library/no-tax-breaks-are-not-subsidies
 
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