Draft night 2017 might be the single biggest turning point in Utah Jazz history.

[idiot]

*Acquire as many high-end draft picks/young talent: while the risk of prospects not developing is always high, the multiple opportunities, lack of immediate long-term substantial financial commitment, & extended time for internal assessment are all reasons I prefer to stay from rentals & target potential (since I don't believe option 1 is realistic).

So Cy's plan, essentially? Well that's one way to run Gordon off (though I thought Cy was offering it as an option if it was already determined that Gordon is gone), and maybe Rudy in the long term, as well. I'm not sure why we seem to be thinking that one of the things that may be getting Gordon to question his commitment to the Jazz is the long-term process of re-building/losing, but that Rudy will be OK with selling the farm for a bunch of 19-21 year olds whose winning days are at least 4-5 years into the future (at best).

 

[LoPo]

A few things here:

- I don't believe San Antonio would trade Green to shed salary until they had formalized agreement with Paul. However, Diaw's contract isn't guaranteed until July 15 so trading him for Green may be a possibility after the draft but I see it a lot less likely of Green being dealt on draft night.

- If we pick up Green then it compromises our ability to keep all three of Hayward, Hill and Ingles.

- Is Green an upgrade to Hood? I ask that because you insinuate at trading Hood and reference Hayward knowing we have Green as incentive to stay. That's a complicated question. Obviously he would have been better this playoffs because Hood was hot trash. But Green is a career 8.8 ppg scorer while Hood is 12.4 ppg. If Hood is at all healthy, at worst he should approximate his 14.5 ppg last year and at best has a much higher ceiling. Green is a better defender, more experienced and is more clutch, but I struggle seeing this as a move that really changes things, especially if Hood bounces back to any degree, which I am inclined to believe will happen. If we moved him for a good piece, though, then getting Green would be a good replacement and he would look good in our starting lineup.

You're right, the timing of the Green trade would more than likely be after the start of new business in July because SA loves him and he loves SA. Would it happen before a Hayward decision? - probably not but who knows. He would fit well, but this all is highly unlikely unless CP3 to SA is inevitable and Hayward can weigh in on the impact of Green.

As for Green vs Hood, my whole thought process was Green+asset from Hood trade is better than just Hood. And this only makes sense if we think we're keeping Hayward and that Hayward doesn't feel that Hood is the biggest part of his decision.

 

[karl malone]

So Cy's plan, essentially? Well that's one way to run Gordon off (though I thought Cy was offering it as an option if it was already determined that Gordon is gone), and maybe Rudy in the long term, as well. I'm not sure why we seem to be thinking that one of the things that may be getting Gordon to question his commitment to the Jazz is the long-term process of re-building/losing, but that Rudy will be OK with selling the farm for a bunch of 19-21 year olds whose winning days are at least 4-5 years into the future (at best).

Maybe I didn't explain myself well. My suggestions were based on the assumption that we retain Hayward & are in search of that 3rd piece to pair with him & Rudy. I wouldn't make any significant moves until the Hayward situation is resolved (aside from an obvious win-now move that doesn't financially cripple us long-term).

*It's possible that I misunderstood the original conversation

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Kind of shocking to me that we are freaking out over Hayward like this. Its not like the guy is Durant or LBJ. Losing him will hurt, but he's a solid all star. He's not a super star and never will be. For as many people as we have fretting over his possible departure, we would have as many complaining about him making $30+ in a couple years. I really hope he stays, but the sun will rise if he doesn't.

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This is a very accurate post, but here's why I think losing Hayward is a big deal for the Jazz:

Lindsay and this organization are really pushing the narrative that Utah doesn't need to apologize for being Utah when it comes to Free Agent recruiting. They're trying to implement a swagger that basically says "We're one of the most solid franchises in the NBA, we have title aspirations, and we are located in a city that actually has plenty of perks regardless of what type of lifestyle you're looking to live".

Problem is, it gets much harder to sell that idea when you can't hang on to one of your own. I think it's very important for the Jazz to be able to hold onto a guy that they've drafted, developed, and invested A TON of time and resources into. This is a franchise that have had multiple players refuse to come and play for AFTER they've already been traded for. It's a franchise that didn't dare wait for a decision from Deron Williams because they knew he was going to walk. It's a franchise that's never had a superstar player actually choose to come play for. Getting Hayward to choose Utah is a huge victory on several fronts.

 

[LoPo]

This is a very accurate post, but here's why I think losing Hayward is a big deal for the Jazz:

Lindsay and this organization are really pushing the narrative that Utah doesn't need to apologize for being Utah when it comes to Free Agent recruiting. They're trying to implement a swagger that basically says "We're one of the most solid franchises in the NBA, we have title aspirations, and we are located in a city that actually has plenty of perks regardless of what type of lifestyle you're looking to live".

Problem is, it gets much harder to sell that idea when you can't hang on to one of your own. I think it's very important for the Jazz to be able to hold onto a guy that they've drafted, developed, and invested A TON of time and resources into. This is a franchise that have had multiple players refuse to come and play for AFTER they've already been traded for. It's a franchise that didn't dare wait for a decision from Deron Williams because they knew he was going to walk. It's a franchise that's never had a superstar player actually choose to come play for. Getting Hayward to choose Utah is a huge victory on several fronts.

Very good post. It would really suck to lose him. I hope he stays, but we will see. JM12 - how bold would you get during the draft? Would you consider trading Hood or even Favors?

 

[sepanol]

Jazz trade: Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood, Dante Exum, 24, 30, 2018 OKC first round pick

Bulls trade: Jimmy Butler

Chicago would have picks 16, 24, 30 in the first round of the draft this year. They also get an extra first next year. Hood and Exum are going to be RFA so they would be guaranteed to keep them if they want. Favors is a risk-and-reward option for them and at worst is an expiring contract.

Utah gets another All-NBA player to pair with Gobert and Hayward.


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I wouldnt give Hood and try to keep 30th pick.
Butler + sign Jrue Holiday and Jawun Ewans for backup.

 

[Stoked]

Very good post. It would really suck to lose him. I hope he stays, but we will see. JM12 - how bold would you get during the draft? Would you consider trading Hood or even Favors?

Hopefully DL is extremely bold. The right coach has been picked, the player development has happened, the playoff experience and a 1st round win have happened. Now is the time to swing hard and fast.

DL needs to have another compelling player on roster besides Gobert when he approaches Hayward and Hill.

Man oh man, I'd love to just sit, watch and listen to the war room for the Jazz this offseason. There has to be everything from grand slam plans to apocalypse plans. And everything in between.

Hope fully DL delivers and the Jazz role into next season with Gobert, Hayward, Hill and another allstar on the wing or at the 4. Or even upgrade the PG spot

GObert, Hayward and Lillard anyone?

McCollum maybe?

 

[fishonjazz]

If he doesn't want to be here that's fine with me. Honestly he is good but we have gotten about all we can out of him. I am excited to boo his *** off.

Our record is pretty good without him too. (Even won the playoff game he missed)

If he leaves then maybe he and us will find that he looked better with the jazz than he really was and he will regret leaving.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This is a very accurate post, but here's why I think losing Hayward is a big deal for the Jazz:

Lindsay and this organization are really pushing the narrative that Utah doesn't need to apologize for being Utah when it comes to Free Agent recruiting. They're trying to implement a swagger that basically says "We're one of the most solid franchises in the NBA, we have title aspirations, and we are located in a city that actually has plenty of perks regardless of what type of lifestyle you're looking to live".

Problem is, it gets much harder to sell that idea when you can't hang on to one of your own. I think it's very important for the Jazz to be able to hold onto a guy that they've drafted, developed, and invested A TON of time and resources into. This is a franchise that have had multiple players refuse to come and play for AFTER they've already been traded for. It's a franchise that didn't dare wait for a decision from Deron Williams because they knew he was going to walk. It's a franchise that's never had a superstar player actually choose to come play for. Getting Hayward to choose Utah is a huge victory on several fronts.

I dont really see them selling that angle. It's more of "We are a great city to raise a family in". It's not like DL is talking about how lit the nightlife is.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Very good post. It would really suck to lose him. I hope he stays, but we will see. JM12 - how bold would you get during the draft? Would you consider trading Hood or even Favors?

There's 2 players that I think would count as legit superstars that I think might actually be attainable for Utah, and if they actually are, I'd be extremely bold if I was DL. My 2 scenarios:

Paul George- I think if Boston is going to look to move assets in an effort to make a splash, it's for Jimmy Butler. Then they go and try to sign Hayward. I think George can be had by Utah because any team with the assets to get him are petrified that he's a 1 year rental. I wouldn't be mad at the Jazz if they moved Hood and Favors plus picks to acquire PG13. Yes it's a huge gamble, but it's probably enough to compel Hayward to return. Gobert/Hayward/and Paul George give Utah an honest to god chance at winning an NBA title next year. Maybe that's enough to sway George to sign long term?

Damien Lillard- Portland has a lot of salary locked in to two players that are semi redundant plus some really bad contracts scattered across the roster. They almost have to move either Lillard or CJ in an attempt to create a more balanced roster as well as trying to get a team to take a bad contract or 2 off their hands. Again, I wouldn't be upset to see Utah part with Favors and Hood in a deal that netted Lillard.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Hope fully DL delivers and the Jazz role into next season with Gobert, Hayward, Hill and another allstar on the wing or at the 4. Or even upgrade the PG spot

GObert, Hayward and Lillard anyone?

McCollum maybe?

*roll

<filling in for Colton>

 

[Stoked]

There's 2 players that I think would count as legit superstars that I think might actually be attainable for Utah, and if they actually are, I'd be extremely bold if I was DL. My 2 scenarios:

Paul George- I think if Boston is going to look to move assets in an effort to make a splash, it's for Jimmy Butler. Then they go and try to sign Hayward. I think George can be had by Utah because any team with the assets to get him are petrified that he's a 1 year rental. I wouldn't be mad at the Jazz if they moved Hood and Favors plus picks to acquire PG13. Yes it's a huge gamble, but it's probably enough to compel Hayward to return. Gobert/Hayward/and Paul George give Utah an honest to god chance at winning an NBA title next year. Maybe that's enough to sway George to sign long term? Damien Lillard- Portland has a lot of salary locked in to two players that are semi redundant plus some really bad contracts scattered across the roster. They almost have to move either Lillard or CJ in an attempt to create a more balanced roster as well as trying to get a team to take a bad contract or 2 off their hands. Again, I wouldn't be upset to see Utah part with Favors and Hood in a deal that netted Lillard.

I think Hayward and his agent look at that and say "he's a one year rental, then what"? It is a gamble IMO. Lillard is by far the better choice IMO. He is far more likely to stay in Utah.