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I don't think the Lakers are taking ball. It's all a screen, moving back a spot or two with a trade is their best case scenario plan imho - that's what I'd do.

They'll take Jackson or Fox, or maybe they take the trade and then take ball.
 
Took a quick look at OG, really he can't dribble or shoot. His explosiveness is his forte and if he tore his knee then that spells drop. If he was available at 24 I wouldn't be too surprised and I'd be happy to take him if he's coachable.

I'm looking forward to this draft so much, so many potential stars. It's likely the top class since... when???
 
Also somewhat intrigued by Kuzma, as I think his game is better suited for the NBA style of play. My biggest question is can he shoot it at NBA range with any consistency. Only thing keeping me from adding him to my list
 
Who was invited to the green room this year?

OG is falling 1 for his knee and the fact that he needs coaching and that will hinder his development even more and that he cant shoot.

I am sure I would like Kyle Kuzma more but the way CY is pimping him makes me hate him. He could be the next keith van horn and I wouldn't care.

My guy is still semi ojeleye
 
Catchall said:
I really don't think the Lakers will trade back after the league gave them the #2 pick. The movement in the draft will happen once the top 3-4 picks are off the board.
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Fox and Jackson are much cleaner fits for the Lakers imo. DLo is a capable playmaker, sometimes to a fault(not as much as Ball). He also isn't a defensive ace. Phoenix has Booker, but a Booker + Ball backcourt makes a lot of sense IMO since Booker's more scoring oriented compared to Russell.
The Suns won't contend within the next 3 years, neither will the Lakers. The Suns control their own pick though, which isn't true about the Lakers. The Lakers will have their pick again in 2 years when best case they're closer to the playoffs than the bottom.
With a $101M projected salary cap, the Lakers are worst case at 83 + 5.2 cap hold for #2 + 1.2 for #28 and .8 for the 15th slot = 90.2 => $11M cap space.
If they cut Tarik Black's 6.6 and Nick Young forfeits his 5.7, they find themselves at 78.6 => $22M cap space(still no max slot)
Getting rid of Deng's salary, while picking up their preferred backcourt partner for DLo at only 4.2 cap hold makes a lot of sense because of their future draft debt. The Lakers REALLY need a Center. They need it via free agency/trades. Trades cost you assets, so you first try to aggressively target RFA and UFA before your own guys come off rookie contracts and push your salary numbers back up towards the cap. Randle is entering his 4th year, Russell his 3rd and Ingram his 2nd. If their rebuild is actually successful, they'll owe those guys a lot of money.
The Suns are much earlier in their rebuild, since only Booker looks like a sure thing and they hope that 2 of Warren, Chriss and Bender can become really good. In addition they'll aim to draft high the next two years and don't care about capspace anyways because they control their draft pick. Getting their hands on Ball, while tanking for guys 3-5 the next two years makes a lot of sense for them. Bledsoe will be traded this (off)season, Knight and Deng would come off the books when the extensions for Chriss and Bender start. Chandler and Dudley come off the books(unless traded) when Booker's max deal begins. It's not like Phoenix is a free agency destination anyways these days, so they can try to extract as much value as possible out this and the next 2 drafts before aiming for the playoffs.
 
rare144 said:
I don't think the Lakers are taking ball. It's all a screen, moving back a spot or two with a trade is their best case scenario plan imho - that's what I'd do.

They'll take Jackson or Fox, or maybe they take the trade and then take ball.
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But where does Ball go then? Word is Philly won't take him because of Simmons. The Suns and Kings are not equipped to handle that mess nor is the Magic at #6.
 
BTP said:
Fox and Jackson are much cleaner fits for the Lakers imo. DLo is a capable playmaker, sometimes to a fault(not as much as Ball). He also isn't a defensive ace. Phoenix has Booker, but a Booker + Ball backcourt makes a lot of sense IMO since Booker's more scoring oriented compared to Russell.
The Suns won't contend within the next 3 years, neither will the Lakers. The Suns control their own pick though, which isn't true about the Lakers. The Lakers will have their pick again in 2 years when best case they're closer to the playoffs than the bottom.
With a $101M projected salary cap, the Lakers are worst case at 83 + 5.2 cap hold for #2 + 1.2 for #28 and .8 for the 15th slot = 90.2 => $11M cap space.
If they cut Tarik Black's 6.6 and Nick Young forfeits his 5.7, they find themselves at 78.6 => $22M cap space(still no max slot)
Getting rid of Deng's salary, while picking up their preferred backcourt partner for DLo at only 4.2 cap hold makes a lot of sense because of their future draft debt. The Lakers REALLY need a Center. They need it via free agency/trades. Trades cost you assets, so you first try to aggressively target RFA and UFA before your own guys come off rookie contracts and push your salary numbers back up towards the cap. Randle is entering his 4th year, Russell his 3rd and Ingram his 2nd. If their rebuild is actually successful, they'll owe those guys a lot of money.
The Suns are much earlier in their rebuild, since only Booker looks like a sure thing and they hope that 2 of Warren, Chriss and Bender can become really good. In addition they'll aim to draft high the next two years and don't care about capspace anyways because they control their draft pick. Getting their hands on Ball, while tanking for guys 3-5 the next two years makes a lot of sense for them. Bledsoe will be traded this (off)season, Knight and Deng would come off the books when the extensions for Chriss and Bender start. Chandler and Dudley come off the books(unless traded) when Booker's max deal begins. It's not like Phoenix is a free agency destination anyways these days, so they can try to extract as much value as possible out this and the next 2 drafts before aiming for the playoffs.
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? Ball is a perfect fit for the Lakers. Fox and Jackson are awful fits for the Lakers.

Lakers were 22nd in 3pt shooting last year. Fox or Jackson would only kill their floor spacing further. Ball provides elite level spot up shooting and Walton plays a similar style of basketball w/ the Lakers that UCLA ran with Lonzo. It's a match made in heaven and they would be dumb to pass up on him.
 
rare144 said:
I don't think the Lakers are taking ball. It's all a screen, moving back a spot or two with a trade is their best case scenario plan imho - that's what I'd do.

They'll take Jackson or Fox, or maybe they take the trade and then take ball.
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Uhh, wut? The "screens" they have been sending out are they arent taking Ball, so that means they probably are.
 
Kevin Pelton just came out with his rankings this year.

I will gladly tell anyone where a player is ranked and what is said about them.

There is quite a few surprises as usual.

5. Zach Collins

Despite coming off the bench on a deep, experienced Gonzaga team that lost in the national championship game, Collins rated as the best Zag on a per-minute basis.

He's a high-percentage finisher with good touch at the free throw line. The limited need for traditional bigs hurts Collins, but he's skilled enough that he might be able to play both frontcourt spots in the pros.

7. OG Anunoby

A team willing to draft Anunoby despite the torn ACL that prematurely ended his career at Indiana might get a steal. Anunoby is the only prospect in this year's draft projected for better than 2.0 steals per 100 plays and 2.0 blocks per 100 opponent 2-point attempts.

Historically, several wings who met that criteria have outperformed their draft slot. The group features Robert Covington, Danny Granger, Josh Howard and Andre Roberson, but also includes nonentities Renaldo Balkman, Branden Dawson and Chris Singleton.

12. Tony Bradley

Similar to Collins, Bradley played well enough in limited minutes to project as a top prospect. My projections don't specifically consider minutes played, though low-minutes players will have their stats regressed more to positional averages.

Bradley projects as the best offensive rebounder in the draft and the best since Kenneth Faried was drafted in 2011.

15. Monte Morris

The highest-rated player ranked outside Ford's top 30, Morris projects with a winning percentage (.478) near league average (.500, naturally) thanks to his sure-handed play.

His projected turnover rate (10.6 percent of his plays) is third-lowest among players in my database listed as point guards, tied with Malcolm Brogdon of the Milwaukee Bucks.

16. Josh Hart

One of the most productive players in college basketball as a senior, Hart has no statistical weaknesses, and he has strengths in terms of 2-point percentage and shooting.

Hart projects to a 3-and-D role in the NBA, and indeed his second-best comp is Danny Green. (Of course, his best comp is MarShon Brooks. The draft is hard.)

32. Jawun Evans
33. Frank Jackson
37. Bam Adebayo
40. D.J. Wilson
41. Caleb Swanigan
44. Derrick White
60. Jonah Bolden
84. Kyle Kuzma

https://insider.espn.com/nba/inside...ba-draft-statistical-projections-kevin-pelton

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Crocodile Dante said:
Who was invited to the green room this year?

OG is falling 1 for his knee and the fact that he needs coaching and that will hinder his development even more and that he cant shoot.

I am sure I would like Kyle Kuzma more but the way CY is pimping him makes me hate him. He could be the next keith van horn and I wouldn't care.

My guy is still semi ojeleye
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But look at the guys he's pimped like this in the past few years. Porter, Portis, Gordon, and I'm sure there's one or two I'm forgetting. Love him or hate him, Cy tends to be right more then not.


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BTP said:
Fox and Jackson are much cleaner fits for the Lakers imo. DLo is a capable playmaker, sometimes to a fault(not as much as Ball). He also isn't a defensive ace. Phoenix has Booker, but a Booker + Ball backcourt makes a lot of sense IMO since Booker's more scoring oriented compared to Russell.
The Suns won't contend within the next 3 years, neither will the Lakers. The Suns control their own pick though, which isn't true about the Lakers. The Lakers will have their pick again in 2 years when best case they're closer to the playoffs than the bottom.
With a $101M projected salary cap, the Lakers are worst case at 83 + 5.2 cap hold for #2 + 1.2 for #28 and .8 for the 15th slot = 90.2 => $11M cap space.
If they cut Tarik Black's 6.6 and Nick Young forfeits his 5.7, they find themselves at 78.6 => $22M cap space(still no max slot)
Getting rid of Deng's salary, while picking up their preferred backcourt partner for DLo at only 4.2 cap hold makes a lot of sense because of their future draft debt. The Lakers REALLY need a Center. They need it via free agency/trades. Trades cost you assets, so you first try to aggressively target RFA and UFA before your own guys come off rookie contracts and push your salary numbers back up towards the cap. Randle is entering his 4th year, Russell his 3rd and Ingram his 2nd. If their rebuild is actually successful, they'll owe those guys a lot of money.
The Suns are much earlier in their rebuild, since only Booker looks like a sure thing and they hope that 2 of Warren, Chriss and Bender can become really good. In addition they'll aim to draft high the next two years and don't care about capspace anyways because they control their draft pick. Getting their hands on Ball, while tanking for guys 3-5 the next two years makes a lot of sense for them. Bledsoe will be traded this (off)season, Knight and Deng would come off the books when the extensions for Chriss and Bender start. Chandler and Dudley come off the books(unless traded) when Booker's max deal begins. It's not like Phoenix is a free agency destination anyways these days, so they can try to extract as much value as possible out this and the next 2 drafts before aiming for the playoffs.
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Actually Russell was statistically better off the ball at the 2 guard for the lakers then playing PG. Ball is a perfect fit. There are also rumors that Russell will be moved if the Lakers take ball.

I hope the Jazz are on the phone with them depending on the price for Russell.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
But look at the guys he's pimped like this in the past few years. Porter, Portis, Gordon, and I'm sure there's one or two I'm forgetting. Love him or hate him, Cy tends to be right more then not.


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The difference this time is he isn't pimping a top-4 pick or someone who was drafted at 20. He's going all out on a second-round prospect.


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Saint Cy of JFC said:
? Ball is a perfect fit for the Lakers. Fox and Jackson are awful fits for the Lakers.

Lakers were 22nd in 3pt shooting last year. Fox or Jackson would only kill their floor spacing further. Ball provides elite level spot up shooting and Walton plays a similar style of basketball w/ the Lakers that UCLA ran with Lonzo. It's a match made in heaven and they would be dumb to pass up on him.
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I think the shooting was problematic because of frontcourt issues and inexperience. I expect Russell and Ingram to improve in that area long term. Having Ball means having no player who can attack the basket off the dribble. I don't like this for offensive dynamic and the defense will be laughable like that.
 
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