Are Marquee Free Agents a Possibility?
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I posted this in another thread. But theoretically I think so...
By my estimation we could conceivably open up roughly 23 million dollars (before re-signing Hayward & Ingles) in cap room if there was someone the Jazz were sure they could get that they thought was an improvement. Unless my cap knowledge is wrong (if it is feel free to correct me).
Right now we are roughly 15.8 mill over the cap. Renouncing the cap holds of Hill, Mack and Withey would give us 5-6 mill in cap space. Releasing Diaw (7 mill) would then give us 12-13. Then we would also have to dump Burks (10.5 mill) somewhere without taking salary back which would give us roughly 23 million to work with.
By my estimation we could conceivably open up roughly 23 million dollars (before re-signing Hayward & Ingles) in cap room if there was someone the Jazz were sure they could get that they thought was an improvement. Unless my cap knowledge is wrong (if it is feel free to correct me).
Right now we are roughly 15.8 mill over the cap. Renouncing the cap holds of Hill, Mack and Withey would give us 5-6 mill in cap space. Releasing Diaw (7 mill) would then give us 12-13. Then we would also have to dump Burks (10.5 mill) somewhere without taking salary back which would give us roughly 23 million to work with.
Coach Ellis
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You also have to renounce Hill's bird rights as well. Currently have several million from last year that can be used in a draft day trade and some extra assets to use if needed. Who are you going to get for $23 million that's better than Hill? The Jazz are better off making a trade now, trying to flip Diaw's contract to a team looking to get some cap space free and then using the $8.4 full MLE. Unless the trade is a big one, I'm not sure that anything the Jazz do in free agency moves the needle in a positive way.
I agree a trade seems to be the more likely route if the Jazz FO makes a move. I don't see anyone in free agency that we could get and would entice the Jazz to do this. Unless maybe CP3 decided he wanted to come here on a pay cut lol. I was just pointing out that a move like that could be possible in theory.
Miggs
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I don't understand this whole idea of flipping Diaw. For who? Don't we want to clear space?
Can someone give me 2-3 examples of trades in which we take someone on to dump Diaw?
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Cappy_Smurf
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That was never the case. And the very word exception should tell you that it makes no sense to need an exception if you are under the cap. You either have room under the cap or you have your exceptions to use.
Even the room exception that I believe you are talking about, only kicks in when you are stuck in no man's land where you have just enough cap that when you add your MLE, you're just under the cap and therefore have no MLE.
Regardless, I don't see any way this was a small market penalty before or after they added the room exception.
The only real difference now is that they give a smaller MLE to taxpayers than non taxpayers, which really means they added a penalty to tax payers rather than fixing a penalty towards smaller markets.
We still have $13M in cap space to use in a trade before July 1st.
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Coach Ellis
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It looks like the teams in the worst cap trouble right now that might look to dump a big contract for cap space are Toronto, Detroit, Washington, Portland and Oklahoma City. Depending on what the Jazz decide to do, they could offer Diaw's contract plus their open cap space to take on a guy with a longer contract. The other team cuts Boris and then they get a little more wiggle room under the luxury tax.
Some names that have been mentioned or that might make sense for the Jazz that could be done for just Diaw and draft pick(s) going one way or another are: Jonas Valanciunas ($14 million), Tobias Harris ($16 million), DeMarre Carroll ($14 million), Allen Crabbe ($18 million), Ricky Rubio ($13 million), Alex Abrines & Doug McDermott ($8.5 million), Kenneth Farried ($12 million) and Wilson Chandler ($11 million). All of those teams could be looking to gain some cap relief and taking on a non-guaranteed contract and then cutting the guy is a good way to do that.
This is kind of a moot point when you realize we probably need more cap-relief than any of those teams. I.e. we can use Diaw's waivable contract more than any of those teams. Just to avoid the luxury tax we need to dump Burks and waive Diaw. (if we are keeping Hill, Ingles and Hayward) If we want to trade Diaw+current capspace we have for 15M contract, we need to find a way to dump about 15M of contracts that's currently on the roster. That means you have to trade Favors + another player(Lyles, Exum, Hood?) for no incoming salary(maybe future picks). It doesn't make much sense overall. Diaw's contract is more of a convenience than any sort of asset really.