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Colton's plan for the offseason, including how I convince Hayward to stay

infection said:
If every starter got $15M and assuming that nobody else in that starting lineup made more than that, then that's more than 75% of any team's cap space. Last year's contracts were inflated due to a few variables. The door is going to swing back over the next three years (simply my opinion) where people will then be underpaid (relative to where the cap numbers settle). The crunch this year (again only in my estimation -- not based on anything hard) is that the low and moderate level guys will get squeezed relative to last year (i.e. no more Mosgovs, Delavadovas or Noahs). Ingles played great D and shot well but I really doubt anyone's looking at him to offer $15M. For the teams that actually have that cap space, it seems like there are more people available to pay $15M to than there are teams able to do so (I'd have to actually look, though), but I don't see Ingles as one of them when there are many other 'bigger fish,' so to speak.
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tl/dr, someone is going to offer Ingles 45/3, I guarantee it.
 
infection said:
If every starter got $15M and assuming that nobody else in that starting lineup made more than that, then that's more than 75% of any team's cap space. Last year's contracts were inflated due to a few variables. The door is going to swing back over the next three years (simply my opinion) where people will then be underpaid (relative to where the cap numbers settle). The crunch this year (again only in my estimation -- not based on anything hard) is that the low and moderate level guys will get squeezed relative to last year (i.e. no more Mosgovs, Delavadovas or Noahs). Ingles played great D and shot well but I really doubt anyone's looking at him to offer $15M. For the teams that actually have that cap space, it seems like there are more people available to pay $15M to than there are teams able to do so (I'd have to actually look, though), but I don't see Ingles as one of them when there are many other 'bigger fish,' so to speak.
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What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to convince yourself a top 5 spot-up shooter, who is 6'8 with long arms, can defend multiple positions, and has PG skills doesnt get a 15 million a year offer?

Plus there are only what, 3 good available SF's this year? Hayward, Igoudala, and Gallinari? Ingles is the 4th.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
tl/dr, someone is going to offer Ingles 45/3, I guarantee it.
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And I guarantee that he doesn't get that large of an offer.

edit: I'd offer to do an "avatar bet" except I've got one pending (whether Hayward will stay or go), and I can't do another one until that is resolved (and only then, if I win).
 
cowhide said:
15 million a year for a guy who averaged 7 pts a game. If that happens then there is no hope in keep players on your team. I love what Ingles does but he is worth the mid-level exemption. I don't think Hill is going to get $18 million from any one else especially after the injuries issues.
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The 7ppg you pointed out is one of the least important stats about Ingles....
 
All these teams with cap space going after young pgs has been GREAT for the Jazz. The potential teams for Hill to sign with is already probably half of what he was expecting back when the Jazz were negotiating a extension with him. 18mil a year for him is a very realistic expectation that months ago I would not have thought possible. I think 18 mil is even a little high for what I'd want him at but 18 mil wouldn't be an awful deal.
 
Does anybody know or have a reference of what team's will have (or will likely have) $15-20 million in cap space? Or if it's most of the league, what teams most likely will not?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Plus there are only what, 3 good available SF's this year? Hayward, Igoudala, and Gallinari? Ingles is the 4th.
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How many teams have cap space? Only about 10, I think, if that many. (After teams re-sign their own FAs.) The 4th best SF won't get much beyond the MLE as there are about 15 better players ahead of him that are more likely to get more than the MLE.
 
colton said:
And I guarantee that he doesn't get that large of an offer.

edit: I'd offer to do an "avatar bet" except I've got one pending (whether Hayward will stay or go), and I can't do another one until that is resolved (and only then, if I win).
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I can defer my bet (if I win).
I also think Jingles doesn't want to do a free agent tour, nor fret about if a team IS going to offer him more. I'm guessing if Utah steps forward with 4/$40 he signs immediately.
 
colton said:
How many teams have cap space? Only about 10, I think, if that many. (After teams re-sign their own FAs.) The 4th best SF won't get much beyond the MLE as there are about 15 better players ahead of him that are more likely to get more than the MLE.
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It only takes 1 team. All 10 teams who have the space need a SF like Ingles.
 
Hey Colton,

Because if you follow your plan and take on more salary in a trade before July 1st you go from 9.8m to over 10m in Luxury tax. Besides you can't use the cap space before July 1st if you want to sign Teo. There is barely enough room to sign Teo and it has to be done before Hayward, Hill, and Ingles signs. If they use the cap space avail now until July 1st they would have to lose the bird rights to one of their free agents, meaning they couldn't re-sign one of the three.
 
MDAV28 said:
Does anybody know or have a reference of what team's will have (or will likely have) $15-20 million in cap space? Or if it's most of the league, what teams most likely will not?
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I just tried googling it but couldn't find anything reliable. One website listed about 10 teams with significant cap space, another one just two or three. And none of them used the new actual cap number, nor were up-to-date with the latest trades.

Here's an article that at least gives details on how it came up with its numbers: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-salary-cap-situation-ahead-of-2017-offseason

Here's a summary:

Atlanta - no cap space
Boston - 15.4 projected cap space
Brooklyn - 22.6 projected space
Charlotte - no space
Chicago - 14.8 projected space
Cleveland - no space
Dallas - 22.0 projected space
Denver - 11.7 projected space
Detroit - no space
Golden State - no space
Houston - 5.7 projected space
Indiana - 13.6 projected space
LA Clippers - no space
LA Lakers - 17.5 projected space
Memphis - no space
Miami - 30.9 projected space
Milwaukee - no space
Minnesota - 10.6 projected space
New Orleans - no space
NY Knicks - 13.9 projected space
Oklahoma City - no space
Orlando - 15.8 projected space
Philly - 46.7 projected space
Phoenix - 11.3 projected space
Portland - no space
Sacramento - 14.8 projected space
San Antonio - no space
Toronto - no space
Utah - no space
Washington - no space

At the very least those numbers should all be reduced by 2 mill each, due to the cap being lowered to 99 from the projected 101.

That would predict 11 teams with more than $10 million in cap space and only 5 teams with more than $15 million (if I counted correctly).
 
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