Colton's plan for the offseason, including how I convince Hayward to stay

[MDAV28]

I just tried googling it but couldn't find anything reliable. One website listed about 10 teams with significant cap space, another one just two or three. And none of them used the new actual cap number, nor were up-to-date with the latest trades.

Here's an article that at least gives details on how it came up with its numbers: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-salary-cap-situation-ahead-of-2017-offseason

Here's a summary:

Atlanta - no cap space
Boston - 15.4 projected cap space
Brooklyn - 22.6 projected space
Charlotte - no space
Chicago - 14.8 projected space
Cleveland - no space
Dallas - 22.0 projected space
Denver - 11.7 projected space
Detroit - no space
Golden State - no space
Houston - 5.7 projected space
Indiana - 13.6 projected space
LA Clippers - no space
LA Lakers - 17.5 projected space
Memphis - no space
Miami - 30.9 projected space
Milwaukee - no space
Minnesota - 10.6 projected space
New Orleans - no space
NY Knicks - 13.9 projected space
Oklahoma City - no space
Orlando - 15.8 projected space
Philly - 46.7 projected space
Phoenix - 11.3 projected space
Portland - no space
Sacramento - 14.8 projected space
San Antonio - no space
Toronto - no space
Utah - no space
Washington - no space

At the very least those numbers should all be reduced by 2 mill each, due to the cap being lowered to 99 from the projected 101.

That would predict 11 teams with more than $10 million in cap space and only 5 teams with more than $15 million (if I counted correctly).

Thank you. Atlanta for SURE has cap space though so not sure how reliable.

 

[colton]

I can defer my bet (if I win).

OK, thanks. I'll see if [MENTION=253]Saint Cy of JFC[/MENTION] wants to bet.

 

[MDAV28]

It only takes 1 team. All 10 teams who have the space need a SF like Ingles.

Would a rebuilding team care to have a SF like Ingles as opposed to developing younger players? What would be the purpose of signing Ingles, to hit the salary floor?

 

[infection]

tl/dr, someone is going to offer Ingles 45/3, I guarantee it.

If he signs for less in Utah but there's no report of another offer of that size, what would be left to conclude?

What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to convince yourself a top 5 spot-up shooter, who is 6'8 with long arms, can defend multiple positions, and has PG skills doesnt get a 15 million a year offer?

Plus there are only what, 3 good available SF's this year? Hayward, Igoudala, and Gallinari? Ingles is the 4th.

Glad you came back and read and responded a second time for something tl;dr. Look, I don't doubt a lot of teams could use and want him, it's just that they've got other things they need and want, too. It's a lot like people here and George Hill -- most everyone agrees we would need and want him, but many say that $20M or more is too much (not that they simply don't want him).

 

[colton]

It only takes 1 team. All 10 teams who have the space need a SF like Ingles.

OK, want to do an avatar bet? I bet he doesn't get $15 million/year on his new contract, you bet that he does?

 

[MDAV28]

I think Ingles is a very solid NBA player and I believe many teams would want him. But I'm not sure of many teams that fit the criteria of having the cap space to offer a large contract that Utah won't match and also in win now mode that and Ingles signing would make sense.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I just tried googling it but couldn't find anything reliable. One website listed about 10 teams with significant cap space, another one just two or three. And none of them used the new actual cap number, nor were up-to-date with the latest trades.

Here's an article that at least gives details on how it came up with its numbers: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-salary-cap-situation-ahead-of-2017-offseason

Here's a summary:

Atlanta - no cap space
Boston - 15.4 projected cap space
Brooklyn - 22.6 projected space
Charlotte - no space
Chicago - 14.8 projected space
Cleveland - no space
Dallas - 22.0 projected space
Denver - 11.7 projected space
Detroit - no space
Golden State - no space
Houston - 5.7 projected space
Indiana - 13.6 projected space
LA Clippers - no space
LA Lakers - 17.5 projected space
Memphis - no space
Miami - 30.9 projected space
Milwaukee - no space
Minnesota - 10.6 projected space
New Orleans - no space
NY Knicks - 13.9 projected space
Oklahoma City - no space
Orlando - 15.8 projected space
Philly - 46.7 projected space
Phoenix - 11.3 projected space
Portland - no space
Sacramento - 14.8 projected space
San Antonio - no space
Toronto - no space
Utah - no space
Washington - no space

At the very least those numbers should all be reduced by 2 mill each, due to the cap being lowered to 99 from the projected 101.

That would predict 11 teams with more than $10 million in cap space and only 5 teams with more than $15 million (if I counted correctly).

There numbers are super inaccurate. Minnesota is projected to have around 20+ million. They got an injury exemption on Pecovic's contract.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

OK, want to do an avatar bet? I bet he doesn't get $15 million/year on his new contract, you bet that he does?

I'm betting he gets an offer.

 

[colton]

Thank you. Atlanta for SURE has cap space though so not sure how reliable.

How do you know they do? The article says that they only get cap space if they (a) let Millsap walk, (b) renounce Tim Hardaway Jr. and Thabo Sefolosha, and (c) renounce their Mike Scott and Mo Williams trade exceptions. He finds that all unlikely, so therefore said they have no projected cap space. I have no idea if that's accurate, but the author sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

 

[colton]

I'm betting he gets an offer.

It's on then! Terms: winner chooses an avatar for the loser, which the loser must use for two months. Sound good?

 

[Shocker00]

Atlanta:

Active Contracts $63,180,934
Cap Holds $65,806,747
Total Salaries $128,987,681
2017 NBA Salary Cap Max $99,000,000
Actual Cap Max Space $-29,987,681
Practical Cap Max Space $35,819,066

 

[colton]

How many teams have cap space? Only about 10, I think, if that many. (After teams re-sign their own FAs.) The 4th best SF won't get much beyond the MLE as there are about 15 better players ahead of him that are more likely to get more than the MLE.

[MENTION=253]Saint Cy of JFC[/MENTION]

By the way, this was being overly generous at least if the national media's opinions are to be believed.

SI lists Ingles as the 34th best FA
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/06/26/nba-free-agency-2017-top-50-players-kevin-durant-stephen-curry

Hoopshype lists him as the 43rd best FA
http://hoopshype.com/2017/06/15/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/

CBS sports doesn't even include him on their top 60 list
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/n...ailable-players-potential-team-fits-analysis/

and USA today lists Ingles as only the 10th best SF https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...y-top-10-free-agents-each-position/434272001/

Granted many of those players will re-sign with their own teams, but even so a lot of them will be looking for FA deals with new teams. I remain convinced that Ingles doesn't get anywhere near $15 million/year.