Sorry Jazz fans – Ben is the NBA Rookie of the Year

[reignman40]

So after leaning to Simmons based on numbers... I finally watched him for a full game last night. LOL at him being ROY. DM has such a more well rounded game especially on the offensive side. Simmons is just a faster, slimmer Blake Griffin, bleh..

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[Siro]

So after leaning to Simmons based on numbers... I finally watched him for a full game last night. LOL at him being ROY. DM has such a more well rounded game especially on the offensive side. Simmons is just a faster, slimmer Blake Griffin, bleh..

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Blake Griffin can shoot.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

So after leaning to Simmons based on numbers... I finally watched him for a full game last night. LOL at him being ROY. DM has such a more well rounded game especially on the offensive side. Simmons is just a faster, slimmer Blake Griffin, bleh..

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Terrible post. Simmons is incredible. You only need an iota of basketball knowledge to see that Simmons is an amazing player.

 

[Deleted member 95]

Terrible post. Simmons is incredible. You only need an iota of basketball knowledge to see that Simmons is an amazing player.

I agree he's a great player but if the cocky bastard ever expects to reach his vision of himself as the next Lebron James (or just the next unique generational talent) he's gonna have to get a jump shot. He is going to get exposed by the better teams, especially in the playoffs. He does not have the skillset to take over at the end of games. He's a great piece to a championship team but you can't throw him the ball when the defense clamps down and have him go to work. James, Durant, Curry, all the greats, etc etc can all do that. Even our boy Mitchell has shown flashes that he can do that in his rookie year despite not even being on the God Simmons radar.

TLDR; Great player, but his game clearly has a huge gaping hole.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

I agree he's a great player but if the ****y bastard ever expects to reach his vision of himself as the next Lebron James (or just the next unique generational talent) he's gonna have to get a jump shot. He is going to get exposed by the better teams, especially in the playoffs. He does not have the skillset to take over at the end of games. He's a great piece to a championship team but you can't throw him the ball when the defense clamps down and have him go to work.

He’s a first (or second lol) year player....

And putting ‘be LeBron or you aren’t good enough’ expectations on a guy is the most unfair thing imaginable. The dude looks like ****ing Magic Johnson out there (who also couldn’t shoot).

 

[Deleted member 95]

He’s a first (or second lol) year player....

And putting ‘be LeBron or you aren’t good enough’ expectations on a guy is the most unfair thing imaginable. The dude looks like ****ing Magic Johnson out there (who also couldn’t shoot).

He's said/implied it himself man. He expects people to see him at that level at some point.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

He's said/implied it himself man. He expects people to see him at that level at some point.

We aren’t talking about what he thinks he is, we are talking about what we are seeing when he plays, as basketball fans.

And anyone who doesn’t think he’s great is not even worth arguing with. And i’d say the same thing to someone who doesn’t think Mitchell is awesome.

 

[Deleted member 95]

We aren’t talking about what he thinks he is, we are talking about what we are seeing when he plays, as basketball fans.

And anyone who doesn’t think he’s great is not even worth arguing with. And i’d say the same thing to someone who doesn’t think Mitchell is awesome.

Ok fair point on leaving out what an arrogant douche Simmons is. Would you agree people are projecting him as a superstar? Do you see his lack of a jump shot hurting him as he career progresses, leading him to not a superstar level?

 

[Ron Mexico]

He’s a first (or second lol) year player....

And putting ‘be LeBron or you aren’t good enough’ expectations on a guy is the most unfair thing imaginable. The dude looks like ****ing Magic Johnson out there (who also couldn’t shoot).

Magic had a solid mid range jumper. He didnt start with it but had one mid way and on in his career. He was always a decent FT shooter and then became a good free throw shooter. He also developed a 3 point shot. I think if he played today where shooting matter even more his shot would be even better. Magic was never anywhere near as bad of a shooter as Simmons. But pretty much no rookie is.

The best hope for Simmons is Malone who didnt have a mid range and couldnt shoot a FT but developed. I am not sure there is another example of someone as bad at shooting that became okay. I certainly think Simmons can become an okay shooter if he has a good work ethic. All he needs is a serviceable shot and he will be really good. But without it I doubt he becomes an elite player in this league.

 

[dakidmas]

Brown has done wonders for Simmons as well stat wise

Don't quite understand this one? Ben has been pulled in at least five games where he would more likely than not picked up another triple double.

Do you mean the system 76ers runs? He doesn't take a lot of shots, so Brown obviously doesn't run iso sets for him, so can only guess you're referring to assists?

Miami did a great job yesterday, fantastic hard defense in that second quarter, exactly what Jazz needed in game one.

 

[Siro]

Don't quite understand this one? Ben has been pulled in at least five games where he would more likely than not picked up another triple double.

Do you mean the system 76ers runs? He doesn't take a lot of shots, so Brown obviously doesn't run iso sets for him, so can only guess you're referring to assists?

Miami did a great job yesterday, fantastic hard defense in that second quarter, exactly what Jazz needed in game one.

I'm pretty sure Sixers system creates all of those triple doubles for Simmons, since he takes the ball up the floor on every possession, and makes a play to a teammate for a shot (usually by collapsing the D then throwing it to a perimeter shooter). I'm pretty sure Fultz had a triple double doing the same thing in like 20 minutes the other day.

 

[Deleted member 95]

muh triple doubles

 

[Deleted member 95]

Saric,Illyasova, Covington and Redick have given Simmons more babby assists than you can imagine.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

You guys are hilarious. If we didn’t have a rookie of the year contender you would never care so much about Simmons, doesn’t that tell you that you are probably massively biased against his performance?

 

[Deleted member 95]

You guys are hilarious. If we didn’t have a rookie of the year contender you would never care so much about Simmons, doesn’t that tell you that you are probably massively biased against his performance?

We all think he's great dude, but we're discussing his game and projected career on a fanatic basketball forum in a thread dedicated to Ben Simmons started by an Aussie homer.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Don't quite understand this one? Ben has been pulled in at least five games where he would more likely than not picked up another triple double.

Do you mean the system 76ers runs? He doesn't take a lot of shots, so Brown obviously doesn't run iso sets for him, so can only guess you're referring to assists?

Miami did a great job yesterday, fantastic hard defense in that second quarter, exactly what Jazz needed in game one.

The system helps him get stats. He runs the offense and the ball goes through him. He is passed to more than any player in the NBA and passes more than any other player in the NBA. They run a lot of screens to get him easy passes for easy assists and he also gets to run off screens to get wide open looks when the court is well spaced. They also run a similar style to OKC where they want Simmons to get the easy rebounds so he can start the fast break faster. Most teams have the big rebound and make the outlet pass to the guard. This boosts his rebound stats a lot. Brown does run isos for him as well with the court well spaced with 4 shooters. He runs the most Isos on the team. More than Embiid. But 76ers are not an iso heavy system.

I am not talking about one game in particular where he sits before reaching some arbitrary stat number.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I'm pretty sure Sixers system creates all of those triple doubles for Simmons, since he takes the ball up the floor on every possession, and makes a play to a teammate for a shot (usually by collapsing the D then throwing it to a perimeter shooter). I'm pretty sure Fultz had a triple double doing the same thing in like 20 minutes the other day.

Fultz did and TJ got one this season when he got starter minutes. It is definitely part of their system.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

We all think he's great dude, but we're discussing his game and projected career on a fanatic basketball forum in a thread dedicated to Ben Simmons started by an Aussie homer.

Saric,Illyasova, Covington and Redick have given Simmons more babby assists than you can imagine.

I honestly can’t believe you can make these posts back to back and claim you aren’t biased.

 

[dakidmas]

I'm pretty sure Sixers system creates all of those triple doubles for Simmons, since he takes the ball up the floor on every possession, and makes a play to a teammate for a shot (usually by collapsing the D then throwing it to a perimeter shooter). I'm pretty sure Fultz had a triple double doing the same thing in like 20 minutes the other day.

Seems a tad harsh attributing the system to giving triple doubles because he brings the ball up, he is the point guard on the team.

If the consensus that Ben is as good in stats due to the system 76ers run what are peoples thoughts on the Jazz system for DM, does the Jazz style hurt or help his game?

 

[Deleted member 95]

I honestly can’t believe you can make these posts back to back and claim you aren’t biased.

You can't? It's true.

And I never said I didn't have a bias. We all have bias.

Some people think Ben Simmons is great and point to all his great things he does to prove that. Some of us think he's great but has obvious weakness' to his game, and we point out what those perceived weaknesses are. One point to prove Simmons' greatness is his triple doubles. I'm simply pointing out his triple doubles shouldn't be so strongly used in the debate.

This is a basketball forum.