Zombie
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Well it was literally doctored, so.
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It shows Acosta doing something he didn't do? I didn't see that.
Zombie
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They edited the video to make his arm appear to come down with force, by speeding it up. She invaded his space twice in an attempt to grab the mic from him, on the second attempt while he is gesturing toward Trump his arm comes down and touches hers. If that's 'getting physical' with someone then I'll eat my ****ing shoe.
Yes, I see it as him getting physical in a struggle for the mic, in both the infowars video and in the unedited video.
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Thats what i saw
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Having said that, it wasnt very physical at all and she was also rather aggressive and physical in trying to take the mic.
I see it mostly as a nothing burger. Acosta came off as a douche to me.
Zombie
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The interaction itself I agree is a nothing burger. The white house offering up doctored videos, however, is definitely a somethingburger. If they are willing to distort the truth is such a fashion over something so small, you'd better believe they will not hesitate to do the same when there's actually something at stake.
The Thriller
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Did you check out the tweet I included in my post?
Sanders actually sent out an edited video that makes Acosta seem more aggressive. This is the press secretary of the United States sending out altered video in order to deceive. The wash post has an article about it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...210126-e375-11e8-b759-3d88a5ce9e19_story.html
The Thriller
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The video was altered that Sanders sent out. You can have whatever opinion you want of Acosta. But certainly you can’t justify Sanders sending out an altered video in order to deceive. She’s the press secretary of the president. Sarah Goebbels act shouldn’t be condoned.
This is fascism.
Read the article I posted above. The wash post actually shows what was altered from the original video.
I think there is an argument to be made as to weather Trump should answer these questions honestly. I DON'T think there is an argument to made regarding the way these press briefings are managed. The "editing" does not alter the basic facts as I see them and I think this is the absolute wrong argument to make regarding this encounter. I think it does nothing at all to further the legitimate arguments against Trump.,
The Thriller
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I think the fact that trumps press secretary sent out an edited video says:
a. He’s very dishonest
b. The original video didn’t justify taking away his access.
I find the press secretary pushing out edited videos extremely scary. Yet another step towards the fascism cliff that republicans seem intent on driving our country off of.
Edited? The content didn't change in any substantial way IMHO.
Complaining about this is singing to the choir. You're never going to convince anyone based on this. This is weak. This is grasping at straws.
Don't. Just don't.
The Thriller
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I don’t think they would’ve put out an edited video if it hadn’t changed the content in a significant way.
To me, the issue is an outlaw regime that feels like it can put out blatantly false propaganda. That’s my issue. I don’t give a **** what Acosta did. I don’t want the press secretary blatantly lying to us.
At this point, what’s the difference between she and Goebbels? At this point, is there any difference between Fox News/Sanders and state owned media in North Korea or Russia? This is what’s scary to me. Today, it’s Acosta. Tomorrow, it’s the Times followed up by an even more false video or statement.
Why does this WH feel justified to blatantly lie? And why aren’t we demanding far more out of this deplorable WH?
I find there to be little physicality by either party. Trump was his typical ******* self. Acosta continued to grandstand.
They both look bad. And the press is still free to lambast anyone they choose over it. I do like that other members of the press objected to his access being revoked.
Edit: a doctored video. Really? Dumb. Even the doctored video plays up how little physicality there was at all. Just a stupid move on the W.H.’s part.
They both look bad. And the press is still free to lambast anyone they choose over it. I do like that other members of the press objected to his access being revoked.
Edit: a doctored video. Really? Dumb. Even the doctored video plays up how little physicality there was at all. Just a stupid move on the W.H.’s part.
The Thriller
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What the hell? Seriously? Good god people. We're supposed to be a democracy? A shining light on a hill?
Ok we're gonna have to agree to disagree here.
The. Press. Secretary. Of. The. United. States. Of. America.Tweeted. Out. An. Altered. Video. In. Order. To. Deceive. The. Public.
I really don't understand how this isn't a big deal. Much bigger than some reporter refusing to give some chick a microphone.
I'm old enough to remember when America's presidents weren't supposed to put out deceitful propaganda. We used to make fun of North Korea and the USSR. My how times have changed.
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"Beyond that, the sparring with reporters served as a message to Trump’s base, that he will not stop fighting. While critics saw a petulant, un-presidential performance, many in Trump’s thrall saw a ravenous and disrespectful media always out to get the president.
When Acosta protested that CNN employees had been targeted by the recent mailing of pipe bombs, allegedly by a Trump supporter, after such rhetoric, the president showed no sense of responsibility, let alone remorse.
“When you report fake news — which CNN does a lot — you are the enemy of the people,” Trump said."
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-performance-20181107-story.html?outputType=amp
Regardless of what one thinks of Acosta, the president set up his attack on the press during that presser for the sake of his base. Part act, part genuine anger. Meanwhile, knowing full well he was getting rid of Sessions and seizing control of the investigation of himself. And that appears to be what he's done making Matthew Whitaker Mueller's boss. He struck the day after the election.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/matth...ere-was-no-collusion-between-trump-and-russia
Only thing that matters at the moment. Whitaker can serve for 7 months, if it was legal to appoint him in the first place. The end game is the only thing that matters, and it seems like Trump has thrown the gauntlet for his end game. It just seems like nothing, at this moment, is more important then this maneuver by Trump. He's going to try to cripple Mueller now that his boy is Mueller's boss.
Not that the Acosta/Trump exchange is small change, since we are talking the media is "the enemy of the people" meme, which will likely long outlive Trump. But, really, he's trying to seize control of an investigation of himself. And his family. Are we going to let him get away with this bs?? This is our country, here.
When Acosta protested that CNN employees had been targeted by the recent mailing of pipe bombs, allegedly by a Trump supporter, after such rhetoric, the president showed no sense of responsibility, let alone remorse.
“When you report fake news — which CNN does a lot — you are the enemy of the people,” Trump said."
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-performance-20181107-story.html?outputType=amp
Regardless of what one thinks of Acosta, the president set up his attack on the press during that presser for the sake of his base. Part act, part genuine anger. Meanwhile, knowing full well he was getting rid of Sessions and seizing control of the investigation of himself. And that appears to be what he's done making Matthew Whitaker Mueller's boss. He struck the day after the election.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/matth...ere-was-no-collusion-between-trump-and-russia
Only thing that matters at the moment. Whitaker can serve for 7 months, if it was legal to appoint him in the first place. The end game is the only thing that matters, and it seems like Trump has thrown the gauntlet for his end game. It just seems like nothing, at this moment, is more important then this maneuver by Trump. He's going to try to cripple Mueller now that his boy is Mueller's boss.
Not that the Acosta/Trump exchange is small change, since we are talking the media is "the enemy of the people" meme, which will likely long outlive Trump. But, really, he's trying to seize control of an investigation of himself. And his family. Are we going to let him get away with this bs?? This is our country, here.
Stars Fan
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Because that's what you are meant to see. It exaggerates the motion to make it look worse than it was so that you see what they wanted you to see. Let's try this thought experiment...Say you are on video camera driving through a school zone. The police speed up the video to show you are over ten miles over the limit, and take away your license. They could not have done so without doctoring the video and adding frames to it. Are you okay with that?
All of the elements of the justification are there. You were actually in the school zone, by original defense speeding up the video does not change the material facts just the speed at which it happened. Because the original, undoctored, video would not support the offense, they changed it...that means they intended to deceive you. If you swallow that pill, there is nothing you will not swallow. You are asking to be lied to again, and again.