He's doing an amazing job of getting America to shelve the ideals we were founded upon. Fascinating to see an autocrat's rise in real time.
Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?
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He's doing an amazing job of getting America to shelve the ideals we were founded upon. Fascinating to see an autocrat's rise in real time.
The Thriller
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Why burn DC down because one shrinking political party in its desperation has resorted to anti-democratic practices?
The problem isn’t DC. The problem is fixing the Republican Party so it returns to be a sane and lawful conservative party loyal to the country (or at least isn’t openly courting the help of foreign governments).
I’m a liberal obviously but I recognize the need to have a healthy conservative party. Right now the GOP clearly isn’t that. It desperately needs to be restored. As liberal as I am on most issues, I recognize the need for checks and balances. There’s plenty of common sense with a conservative platform. But the GOP isn’t a Conservative party anymore. In order to maintain power it has resorted to dirty tricks.
Burn down the GOP and do some restructuring to our campaign finance laws and trim the power of the executive. Stop this gerrymandering nonsense. We need to expand democracy and make it easier to vote and promote moderate candidates (eliminating gerrymandering would help immensely).
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The Thriller
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For 2.5 years he denied nearly everyday on social media to that which he confessed to in that video.
Which isn’t surprising. He confessed to Lester Holt on tv as to why he fired Comey. Trump might be the most transparent leader we’ve ever had.
The problem is, 35 percent of the country are having their brains rotted out by information from crap news: Fox News and Facebook. Which is frustrating to me. Social media acts as if they’re merely a platform and have zero responsibility with the **** they permit to be spread. It’s wrong and needs to stop since the greatest enemies to our democracy are exploiting Facebook to kill our democracy.
The Thriller
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Man...
He’s seriously losing his **** this morning. He deleted this tweet and has since corrected it:
He’s seriously losing his **** this morning. He deleted this tweet and has since corrected it:
Zombie
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Prince of Whales. That's an all timer hahaha
Joe Bagadonuts
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Stunning. A politician who is telling the truth. Let's run him out of town on a rail!
You should praise a politician for telling the truth. He gets points for that.
But you don't see a problem with foreign entities influencing elections?
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Yeah but Congress has done a ton of stupid **** for short-term gains. The electorate has a short memory when it comes to what have you done for me lately, and a long memory when it comes to I hate that guy.
The Thriller
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Let’s pretend that the Rockets GM hacked into the Memphis’s server. They stole their entire FO’s communications. The Rockets, through a series of secretaries and hot dog salesmen then contact the Jazz and tell them that they have “dirt” on the Grizzlies. Dennis Lindsey’s assistant/son responds, “if it’s what you say it is, I love it” and meet with these representatives from the Rockets.
When caught, Dennis writes a dishonest denial about the whole thing. And then blames the law enforcement for investigating.
Memphis and law enforcement tell the public that their servers have been hacked and their FO information has been compromised.
Then, during the summer, Dennis publicly invites the Rockets to find these missing emails and produce them so that everyone in the NBA can know what the Grizzlies FO thinks. “The American media will reward you very much!”
One day, a bad video of Dennis bragging about sexually harassing women comes out. Through Wikileaks, the Rockets release these emails and clutchfans members retweet this information nonstop, thus turning the focus away from Dennis’s sexual harassment and compromising the Grizzlies summer and hindering their franchise for years to come.
The Jazz are then able to trade for Conley and 10 1st round picks for Bradley and a bag of stale half eaten chips. The Jazz give those 10 first round picks to the Rockets, benefitting the two teams at the expense of Memphis.
And now after 2.5 years of denying that the Dennis received help from Houston, Dennis admits that if given the opportunity, he’d do it again because it’s not wrong and “everyone else” does this.
How could anybody be cool with this? It’s unethical. Putin I mean Houston can burn in Hell. I don’t care what Houston offers us, **** them and **** clutchfans. And if we permit cheating to our benefit today, what happens tomorrow when the Lakers decide to cheat and end up putting a team together of Lebron, Spida, Curry, Zion, Kawhi, Harris, George, Gobert, and the ghost of Dirk Nowitski’s past?
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Prime example of hyper partisanship.
Collapse that wall of text, and ask yourself "Do I want to see someone telling me what they would do, or lie about it and do it anyway"
The Thriller
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In the past 3 years I’ve read/heard numerous examples of congresspeople and presidential candidates who were given “dirt” on their opponents and instead of using it immediately contacted the FBI.
How can our democracy function if presidential candidates are encouraging hostile governments to help them? How can we conduct foreign policy? Especially when countries hostile to our interests are working the hardest to help certain candidates?
I. E. We shouldn’t be easing sanctions on Russia, shouldn’t be handing weapons to Saudi Arabia, shouldn’t be doing photo ops with North Korea, and we shouldn’t be crapping on the UN and Ukraine.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I am not foolish enough to believe that a successful politician is going to be in the habit of turning down dirt on their opponent, regardless of the source. I find this whole sanctity of the election angle to be a manufactured and self-serving attack. Not only do I believe that Trump's opponents in both 2016 and 2020 would also listen to foreign sources, I know that they have. For example, where did the dossier originate?
Red
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I've noticed, ever since it was established that our chief post WWII adversary interfered in our 2016 election, that some people either don't understand the notion of national sovereignty, or don't care, especially if it's their guy who's benefiting from that violation of our sovereignty. Or, if they do claim to object to his character, agreeing with his policies allows them to accept his character flaws, and even forgive attacks on our elections.
And, while I recognize our own CIA has interfered in the internal politics of other nations, I still believe it's a good, and proper, response to defend one's nation when it is attacked. And interfering in our free election was in fact an attack. But, that too means nothing, or is simply not recognized, by all citizens. As well, I think a not insignificant percentage of the electorate, prefer an autocratic executive. And we know now that that certainly includes AG Barr.
I still think you're missing my point. We should NOT praise our politicians for this behavior. This SHOULD NOT be a thing. I'm not naive enough to think most candidates wouldn't accept dirt on their opponents. I feel like we should prefer our politicians not to encourage OR use it.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Are you going to hog all that weed you're smoking or are you going to pass it around?
The Thriller
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1. Do you seriously not see any difference between the Russian and the British governments with regards to American interests, human rights, and democratic norms?
2. Do you see no difference between hiring a private firm for research and using stolen data from a server that a hostile government illegally obtained?
3. You understand that the counter-intelligence operation began not with the Steele dossier but when the ambassador of one of our allies notified law enforcement of a potential national security threat after Trump’s George Papadopoulos admitted to him that they had Russian contacts, right? What should our allies do next time? Not tell our FBI? What should the FBI do next time? Not conduct counter-investigations?
Eliminating these lines of right and wrong is exactly what authoritarian regimes like Putin’s want.
The Thriller
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I disagree.
I think most candidates for public office up until this point in American history would’ve told Russian toadies to **** off. Clinton and Nixon look like saints compared to the corruption we see on a daily basis today.
Red
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As the president's tweet, that you posted, made clear, the president and his team are once again engaged in damage control:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/politics/donald-trump-spy-election-2020-foreign-government/index.html
Another perhaps pertinent question is to ask if Christopher Steele was employed as an agent of the British government or British intelligence service at the time he put together his dossier? I'm pretty sure Mueller demonstrated those Russians employing both hacking activities and disinformation campaigns on social media were Russian agents. Steele was a private individual conducting opposition research, first for Republicans, then for Democrats.
We disagree! That's ok.
I think we do agree that this is our stage, and international entities shouldn't have a part to play.