Jazz front runner for Conley

[Ron Mexico]

This is Conley's value at his highest. His value will only decline after this summer. Whoever gets him in this trade will surely be keeping him till his contract expires. By getting his overpriced 30mil contract, who else do you think we can get in free agency that is worth any trade values? We won't trade Rudy, Ingles or Mitchell. We can't really trade Conley once we get him. Who else on this current roster do you think we can realistically put on the table to attract any other teams during a trade? Maybe Royce?

That wont change regardless of who we sign. The same is true of anyone. We will be operating over the cap. Favors and first round picks are tradeable. FAs that we pick up with MLE are tradeable. Finding players like Royce are tradeable. Conleys value might go down. But he will also be an expiring deal after next year that has value. There are many options going forward.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Why not just get the best deal period rather than on draft day?
Like if the jazz will give them a better offer after the draft then why take the crappier offer on the draft?

I guess they might think the jazz may land one the big fish and then not trade with Memphis?

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Exactly. If we knew we are not landing a FA then sure negotiate but ultimately offer what you can. But we wont know that until FA. We could land Tobias or Russell, whom I prefer, for less money and not giving up any assets for.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I'd rather have D Lo over Conley

Fingers crossed Indiana out bids us for Conley and Nets sign at least Kyrie.

 

[jom2003]

That wont change regardless of who we sign. The same is true of anyone. We will be operating over the cap. Favors and first round picks are tradeable. FAs that we pick up with MLE are tradeable. Finding players like Royce are tradeable. Conleys value might go down. But he will also be an expiring deal after next year that has value. There are many options going forward.

not really. like i said before, we have a bunch of players on this roster that are currently "tradable", whether or not they are valuable enough to raise other teams' interest, is a whole different story.
Neto/Thabo/Niang/Allen/Udoh are nothing more than just salary fillers.
Dante is someone we have to GIVE AWAY assets for him in a trade.
Crowder is questionable at best after having an underwhelming year.
Ingles/Favors are too valuable in jazzfanz book and we'll likely be disappointed to see what we get in return when we traded them.
Only ones we can realistically put in a trade in return for something that are actually valuable are Mithcell and Gobert, and that's about it.

 

[Ron Mexico]

not really. like i said before, we have a bunch of players on this roster that are currently "tradable", whether or not they are valuable enough to raise other teams' interest, is a whole different story.

If we sign Tobias we give up most of those players as well. We would have to create space. We also will have the TPE this year and the MLE to sign more players. We also can sign as many vet min players to fill our roster that could turn into tradeable players. That is the cost of getting a high salary player.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Would you prefer us to sign a bunch of worse players just so we can make trades in the future for a better player?

 

[jom2003]

Would you prefer us to sign a bunch of worse players just so we can make trades in the future for a better player?

if they aren't any worse than Niang or Neto or Udoh. at least not in other GM's eyes. then yes. you can't win if you don't play.

 

[Ron Mexico]

if they aren't any worse than Niang or Neto or Udoh. at least not in other GM's eyes. then yes. you can't win if you don't play.

So you think our best course of action is to sign a few players at their level and hope to trade them for a better player in the future instead of signing a much much better player right now? Okay.

We can sign as many of those level players as we want any time. They are easy to come by.

 

[slc]

What I am somewhat concerned about is giving up the #23 pick before the draft
Draft this year seems wide open
Perhaps someone Jazz really liked fell to the #23 spot and Jazz traded it away

 

[jom2003]

So you think our best course of action is to sign a few players at their level and hope to trade them for a better player in the future instead of signing a much much better player right now? Okay.

We can sign as many of those level players as we want any time. They are easy to come by.

Right? Don't you think so?

how much does Brook Lopez cost at free agency last summer?

What about Julius Randle?

How does SLC compare to Milwaukee or New Orleans?

Getting them both will likely get us FARTHER than what Mike Conley and his 30mil would've gotten us.

heck, even if both of them suck balls, how much do you think it would've hurt the jazzfanz if we just straight up trade them both for someone like, you know, Prozingis?

Is there any rules making us have to sign Thabo, Neto or Niang once we've missed out on KD or Kawhi? ANY?

how much of hindsight would've taken you to make the conclusion of "Brook Lopez > Georgis Niang"?

or "Julius Randle > Ekpe Udoh"?

 

[Ron Mexico]

Right? Don't you think so?

how much does Brook Lopez cost at free agency last summer?

What about Julius Randle?

How does SLC compare to Milwaukee or New Orleans?

Getting them both will likely get us FARTHER than what Mike Conley and his 30mil would've gotten us.

heck, even if both of them suck balls, how much do you think it would've hurt the jazzfanz if we just straight up trade them both for someone like, you know, Prozingis?

Is there any rules bounding us to sign Thabo, Neto or Niang once we've missed out on KD or Kawhi? ANY?

Porzingis went for a lot more than that in a trade.

Randle and Lopez together dont make us better than Conley would. I would rather get the better player.

There are players I want more than Conley but he is really good and makes us much better. If we cant land a big name in FA he is my next choice. We can also still get those type of signings you mentioned after getting Conley. We still have the TPE and MLE to sign players like that. We also can still pick up players like Royce and Ingles that make a huge difference.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Players like Randle and Lopez still have to choose to come here as well. Just because they signed for that amount somewhere does not mean they would here.

Those types of players sign for less somewhere the believe they can win a chip or they can get lots of playing time to show off their talents. We were not a landing space for that type of player last year.

Maybe if we get Conley we can be a place players want to sign for less because they think we might win it all.

 

[Avery]

I'd rather have D Lo over Conley

I think most would. End of the day, I can't see Harris or D Lo coming here in favor of other offers, but would love to be wrong.. If that's the case, it's basically a strikeout for us in free agency regardless of what other mid-tier guys you bring in.

 

[jom2003]

Players like Randle and Lopez still have to choose to come here as well. Just because they signed for that amount somewhere does not mean they would here.

again, how would you compare SLC to Milwaukee or New Orleans?

 

[Ron Mexico]

again, how would you compare SLC to Milwaukee or New Orleans?

We are a worse spot for both of those players last year, there is a reason they didnt consider us.

 

[jom2003]

We are a worse spot for both of those players last year, there is a reason they didnt consider us.

2nd round in the western conference playoffs worse than 1st round in the East? yes there is a reason. reason is DL would rather sign someone like Georgis Niang than actually being proactive in the free agency market.

 

[Jingled]

What I am somewhat concerned about is giving up the #23 pick before the draft
Draft this year seems wide open
Perhaps someone Jazz really liked fell to the #23 spot and Jazz traded it away

What are we really going to get with the 23rd pick, another Grayson Allen or Tony Bradley? If it was a top 10 pick I would understand your concern but I see no reason to be reluctant to give up the 23rd pick to acquire a top 7 or 8 point guard that will dramatically improve the team.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

TLDR thread

Is it happening?

I picked a ****** time to get a new job and move to a new city.

 

[Ron Mexico]

2nd round in the western conference playoffs worse than 1st round in the East? yes there is a reason. reason is DL would rather signing someone like Georgis Niang than actually being proactive in the free agency market.

Bucks had a better team than us this year and had playing time for him. Lopez doesnt want to play behind Gobert and probably Favors. You are also just assuming he wasnt proactive. Just because we didnt sign someone doesnt mean he wasnt proactive. I am pretty sure he was very proactive looking at FAs.

 

[Ron Mexico]

TLDR thread

Is it happening?

I picked a ****** time to get a new job and move to a new city.

Still just rumors and talking. It sounds like if it does happen it will be in the next few days though.