Kyoto
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It depends on Russell's value of winning. PHX has been a dumpster fire ever since Nash retired
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Jazz front runner for Conley
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jom2003
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1, that is TWO more years, not one. and so are Mitchell's rookie scale contract. two years is a LOT of time in sports.
2, who said it won't be even more wide open the year after? even possibly for championship when Siakam leaves/Lowry fall off, but we're trying to disqualify ourselves for that one.
3, yeah, this statement is especially true when we bring in Conley.
so like i said, we are not doing ourselves ANY GOOD by hanging around for the Conley deal, in which we can't even put together a convincing package for right now. teams like Detroit or Orlando can walk in at any point and outbid us easily.
So sign someone of value in FA. accumulate assets. COME BACK mid-season.
we'll be in a better position for trade talks with those FA acquisitions, and hopefully(probably) there will be better opportunities for even better players.
DM and Rudy are contracted till TWO seasons after. we have time
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framer
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Yeah, I don't buy that story Agents are a thing. Pelinka made calls. Of course KOC wasn't going to admit to conspiring against a blind man. It was just "blind luck" that someone saw that Boozer was available. Riggghhhhtt. . .
Bawse Dawg
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We kept waiting for the Warriors to die and a window to open. Well here you go.
It’s not time to plan for the future, it’s time to make a move.
“Conley doesn’t put us over the edge”
I hear that. But do we even know what the edge is right now? The only ‘superteam’ is the Lakers and they are two stars learning to play together and a bunch of bums. Houston may be imploding. It’s a game of chance, Raptors could have easily lost the second round, so you can’t play the result. Just give yourself a shot.
With Conley I think we have a fighting chance against any team in the league. And that’s all you can ask for.
Building for the future is when you have Hayward, Burks, Burke, Kanter and Favors and think all of them will be awesome. The league is way too fluid to plan like that. Get a good player and re-asses if and when necessary.
Get Conley, get a top 3 seed. Hope Mitchell takes a step, and a few others show some improvement. Ingles last dance, Gobert peak power. Pray for health and some good bounces.
I’m in.
It’s not time to plan for the future, it’s time to make a move.
“Conley doesn’t put us over the edge”
I hear that. But do we even know what the edge is right now? The only ‘superteam’ is the Lakers and they are two stars learning to play together and a bunch of bums. Houston may be imploding. It’s a game of chance, Raptors could have easily lost the second round, so you can’t play the result. Just give yourself a shot.
With Conley I think we have a fighting chance against any team in the league. And that’s all you can ask for.
Building for the future is when you have Hayward, Burks, Burke, Kanter and Favors and think all of them will be awesome. The league is way too fluid to plan like that. Get a good player and re-asses if and when necessary.
Get Conley, get a top 3 seed. Hope Mitchell takes a step, and a few others show some improvement. Ingles last dance, Gobert peak power. Pray for health and some good bounces.
I’m in.
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He had a pretty bad season. He scored 14 ppg on 41% shooting. Thankfully he had a really good team around him and the best player in the playoffs this year.
FalseFlagg K
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this Two years is like .. very little time. If we sit on our hands again we're running the risk of showing Rudy and Donovan we're not serious about winning.
Well stated.
Favors aint old.
I am pretty sure you are referring to Ingles though. Royce seemed to do a good job of playing SF for him in the playoffs for his 2nd year in the NBA.
FalseFlagg K
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dude Royce can't provide any playmaking like Joe does.
Dog. If all those contracts expire (including Conley’s) in two years and you have Mitchell yet to sign his big deal, the Jazz would have an absolute ******** of cap and could come on the heels of a terrific season in addition to being able to pay Gobert substantially more than anyone else (but not necessarily on the hook to).
We should be looking forward to two years from now, not dreading it.
jom2003
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two years ago Hayward was still our best player. A complete different franchise by now.
Jack Strop
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You are correct. Denver had a meeting set up with Boozer immediately after Utah's. And Jazz had a meeting set up with Kenyon Martin. KOC was smart enough to make Boozer a fat offer, which he took and then cancelled his meeting with Denver. And Denver then met with and signed KMart.
I was against the Boozer signing as I thought what he and his agent did to Cleveland was pretty unethical. Owner (was it Gund?) was trying to reward Carlos for being underpaid and basically ripped up his contract. I guess you could claim the owner was also trying to corcumvent the rules. But at least the attempt was to give Carlos more money. IiNM, didn't Pelinka later quit being Carlos' agent? Boozer was pond scum.
Favors hasn’t been our third best player since 2015.
Phoenix would have to make some moves to make room. Also their main reporter said they have 0% of going after him.
I would say Indiana is the most likely but Jazz are second. Everyone also is saying Jazz is the 2nd place for Tobias. If indy picks up Conley in a trade or chases someone else like reported we have a good shot at Russell. If Durant goes to Brooklyn like many reports say we have a good shot at at Tobias.
You are now arguing against your own point(s) now? Cool.
He easily was last year and our best player in the playoffs.
FalseFlagg K
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sure and two years ago there was zero chance of contending. There truly was plenty of time two years ago. There really is now an opportunity and a sense of urgency is paramount
Conley has to be traded before the draft. Whether it's to Utah or somewhere else. For a few reasons. First, they're going to want to get this done before free agency opens and teams explore other options. Because that would limit an already limited number of potential and hurt their leverage. And I keep saying it... the longer they wait the less return they get. Interested teams will be less inclined to deal at the deadline than now because it will be harder to match cap. And the teams that are interested are contenders who would much prefer a whole offseason with a guy in their system as opposed to trading for him midseason when you're trying to make a run. Second, I don't think that they want constant trade rumors and questions about Ja/Conley compatibility hanging over the franchise in Ja's rookie year. It just makes sense to start fresh and allow the young guy to play without constant questions.
K, well you can measure that by PER and I’ll measure it by a player that helps you win the most games.
That is true but he can provide other things Ingles cant do. Like better defense now and athleticism, he is also much better in the open court.
His playmaking wont be needed as much when we pick up a good PG.