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Conley could miss multiple weeks with hamstring injury

mellow said:
Btw, you were right I misread part of your earlier post. My bad.

If? He isnt. Odds were he never was going to. Even if he did, it was never going to be enough to make the Jazz contenders. Some of us said so.

If the talking heads said they were contenders, they were wrong. Odds makers never had Jazz better than 6th and that was a distant 6 or 7 far from Lakets/Clippers and still behind Houston. (They were 8 in 2019)

Conleys game doesn't fit Rudy nor Mitchell and the jazz gutted their team to get him. Lost their identity, and their narrative along the way.

My plan? Funny I seem to recall that most people thought the Jazz needed a stretch 4 and more shooting from the wing. I guess I would've started there.

Incidentally, I dont recall anyone calling for a small pg to take the ball out of Mitchells and Ingles hands, and play a different style than Rudy. So i wouldn't have started there. But i guess if i was determined to frustrate my two stars that way, I would have found a cheaper player to do the same thing.
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for those who sorta expecting Conley/Ed to pick up their games have failed to realize that there is a reason for their recent struggles. players, especially those professional ones, don't just all of sudden start playing like trash for no reason

well, unless you are a bona-fide superstar(playing like one instead of getting paid like one) who will produce no matter what, most players will only perform in an environment/system that is comfortable to them.

what makes DM the most comfortable is to pair him up with a 3D guard with decent size and comfortable in offball situations. and Conley is everything opposite of that. for those who blame coaching, just watch Pop's team USA this summer with Kemba and DM in the backcourt struggling at times trying to figure out who gets to take the ball. and people keep saying Conley>Rubio in terms of shooting ability. But deploying Conley as an offball shooter is the absolute WRONG way to play a guy who has had the ball in his hands in all his life. not to mention all the skilled big men he partnered up with in Marc Gasol, Randolph, or even Valanciunas. and now all of a sudden you put him on a team with a guy who constantly demands the ball as well as a big man who has trouble even at catching. you think more practice time and adjustment is just gonna solve those issues(or "figure things out" in someone's words) for a 32 yr old who is unlikely to improve or make any further changes to the skillsets/playstyle at this point of his career? i don't think so.
 
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oneye said:
It isn't financially realistic to get Bogey without giving up Favs just FYI, what you're saying is not what I was implying.
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This makes no sense to me. Please explain the numbers to me, how you figure this. If they didn't get Conley, wouldn't they have plenty of money for Bogey and Favors?
 
Mike Conley's usage % is third on the jazz, but still around top 50 in the league (depending on how many games/minutes are used).

Shockingly, this is his lowest usage rate since 2012...when he played with Gasol, Gay, Zach Randolph and Jared Bayless. The guy needs the ball in his hands.
 
oneye said:
When you’re going to be paying Rudy and Donovan both over $30 million a year. YES 100% YOU HAVE TO GET THAT FROM THEM. So either you all don’t actually believe Donovan and Rudy are good enough, or you’re being willfully ignorant of what it actually takes to win a championship.

When you have a salary cap in the league and you’re going to be paying 2 guys upwards of $90 million. Yeah they better be able to carry your team because they’re gonna be taking up over half your cap room. If they aren’t that dominant of star or you don’t think they can be them you probably aren’t winning a title with them. Right now Mike is simply taking up the cap room Donovan will be taking up. And yes, since Donovan is so severely under-paid Conleys previous play during his career should be plenty to put you in contender status if you already have 2 stars that are good enough to be max contract players. Mike has been a very good player his entire career, he’s underperformed and that very well could change. Here’s your news flash YOU HAVE A SUPERSTAR WHO YOU ARENT CURRENTLY PAYING SUPERSTAR MONEY. If Donovan and Rudy are great, then yes a Conley should take you to that next level, and the financial situation is just Conley taking up money Donovan will be.
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yes. we have to get that from them... WHEN you do pay both Rudy and Donovan at over 30mil a year. But right now YOU ARE NOT paying them at such level. in other words, WE HAVE TIME. Rudy is 27 and DM is 23. not 37 or 33. Last time a GM who "took the risk" with a healthy young core by burning multiple assets to bring in (overpaid)veteran helps with no regards to system fit or team chemistry is called Billy King. and we all know how that turned out

Unlike DL, i do believe in players development and certainly hope that one day DM can take his game to the next level. but bringing in Conley, AGAIN, is the WRONG way if you want to help DM elevate his games. DM is absolutely the most effective with the ball IN HIS HANDS. not watching Conley doing his little dance (then brick a floater) from the corner. Just look at how the Bucks help Giannis with his games by surrounding him with shooters to maximize his maneuver space. that's how you HELP YOUR PLAYERS as management. instead of crossing your fingers then pray. or even worse, setting unrealistic/premature timelines and obstacles.
 
mellow said:
Mike Conley's usage % is third on the jazz, but still around top 50 in the league (depending on how many games/minutes are used).

Shockingly, this is his lowest usage rate since 2012...when he played with Gasol, Gay, Zach Randolph and Jared Bayless. The guy needs the ball in his hands.
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that's why i believe the Conley we saw WILL BE the Conley in his remaining Jazz career. So is Ed, who's been best suited as a help defender in all his life, now being asked to anchor the entire paint with his size/weight. we simply can't ask players to become someone they are not, especially in their 30's.
 
jom2003 said:
yes. we have to get that from them... WHEN you do pay both Rudy and Donovan at over 30mil a year. But right now YOU ARE NOT paying them at such level. in other words, WE HAVE TIME. Rudy is 27 and DM is 23. not 37 or 33. Last time a GM who "took the risk" with a healthy young core by burning multiple assets to bring in (overpaid)veteran helps with no regards to system fit or team chemistry is called Billy King. and we all know how that turned out

Unlike DL, i do believe in players development and certainly hope that one day DM can take his game to the next level. but bringing in Conley, AGAIN, is the WRONG way if you want to help DM elevate his games. DM is absolutely the most effective with the ball IN HIS HANDS. not watching Conley doing his little dance (then brick a floater) from the corner. Just look at how the Bucks help Giannis with his games by surrounding him with shooters to maximize his maneuver space. that's how you HELP YOUR PLAYERS as management. instead of crossing your fingers then pray. or even worse, setting unrealistic/premature timelines and obstacles.
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LOL
 
Too many people overreacting. The only measuring stick we should use for Conley will be how we fare in playoffs.
 
homeytennis said:
DL sounds like the House Democrats making up a crime Trump supposedly committed.
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Impeachment isn't necessarily about a president committing crimes.
Trump 100% obstructed Congress.
Besides, Trump wanted to get impeached.

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I didn't read hardly any of this trash thread so I'll just post a question. Am I the only one who thinks we'll be better off with Conley sitting? I guess time will tell but I've felt like the team plays better team ball when he is out. We seem to pass more, get more folks involved, find better shots. Meh just a few games but it seems that way anyway.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I didn't read hardly any of this trash thread so I'll just post a question. Am I the only one who thinks we'll be better off with Conley sitting? I guess time will tell but I've felt like the team plays better team ball when he is out. We seem to pass more, get more folks involved, find better shots. Meh just a few games but it seems that way anyway.
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We need good Conley. That was a huge part of what was exciting coming into the season. If we get the Conley we've had so far this year we're kind of ****ed.

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Just to weigh in. I'm on the side of people who say Conley is not a good fit along Donovan. Brogdan would've been perfect. At this juncture, he is much better than Conley in addition to being the right fit. Like many have said here, Conley is a ball dominant point guard, but so is Donovan. Who do you want to dominate the ball then -- of course, Donovan. You see what happened against Orlando. We would've been much better off, keeping Neto and trading Dante to get a stretch 4, and keeping Favors. Maybe we wouldn't have had Jeff Green but then we could also have kept Crowder. So, even without getting Brogdan and getting the stretch 4, we would've been so much better.
 
I hope Quin starts Exum , doesn’t have to do much ... bring the ball up the court , play good D ... Lob pass to Gobert ... eat up about 6 mins

If Quin doesn’t want him , now is a good time to put him on show ... maybe a few things click for him playing with the other starters ..
 
oneye said:
LOL
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Besides Giannis, you think Harden would become the MVP that he is today has he stayed with OKC and not given the primary ball handling role alongside Westbrook? As good as Luka has been this season, It did take a bit for the Mavs to figure out what role he needs to play (a ball handling guard as opposed to a wing) last season and when they did, they got rid of all the players that they deemed to be either surplus or simply impeding Luka's development.

And as for the Jazz, instead of helping our players to play the best basketball they possible can, our management is doing the exact opposite right now by bringing in pieces that don't fit and asking the players to simply do things they aren't capable of doing.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I didn't read hardly any of this trash thread so I'll just post a question. Am I the only one who thinks we'll be better off with Conley sitting? I guess time will tell but I've felt like the team plays better team ball when he is out. We seem to pass more, get more folks involved, find better shots. Meh just a few games but it seems that way anyway.
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We are best with DM having the ball and Royce as his backcourt partner. All we lack is a starting PF because Royce/Bojan/Jeff/Niang isn't one.
 
jom2003 said:
Hill is capable of filling the offball role. Conley isn't
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Brogden would have been nice though I was all about getting Beverley here. I think he would have come here had we outbid the Clippers (13M a season). We could have signed him and others instead of the Conley contract.

But we're where we are now so we're stuck. An off-the-ball PG should have been obvious to the front office after the success we had with Hill (minus his injuries and questionable attitude - but when he played the team looked good and the offense ran well, and our talent/weapons then isn't as solid as it is presently) as well as Rubio not working out.
 
Gameface said:
We need good Conley. That was a huge part of what was exciting coming into the season. If we get the Conley we've had so far this year we're kind of ****ed.

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Hence why I think we're better off without him.
 
With Conley, DM and Bogie on the floor together as the 1, 2 and 3 the Jazz are elite offensively.

Without Conley the offensive drop-off is significant.

So while his individual stats are underwhelming, the result of replacing him with another player as far as the team is concerned has been much worse.
 
Do the people who think we'll be better off with Conley not playing not realize how bad our bench guy's are? We have been really good with any 5 of our top 6 guy's on the floor together but we've been awful with our 7-10 guys on the floor. Conley being hurt means that we're now down to just 5 good players and guy's like mudiay, Niang and Green are going to have to play more minutes.
 
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