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And for once I agree with write4u. Jerry ****ed with Koufos. I don't know how good Koufos will be or how good he would've been if Jerry didn't mysteriously bench his *** his rookie year (where I thought he was playing well and was showing a ton of promis) behind a guy that couldn't produce against a HS team, but I do know it affected Koufos and that it was total horse-****.

After that, instead of sending him to the D-League, they'd just not even have him dress half the time and rot. Or recall him from the D-League as the Flash were in the D-League playoffs and again not even have the kid dress.

Again, regardless of where Koufos ends up, the way he was handled was simply bad.
 
Again, regardless of where Koufos ends up, the way he was handled was simply bad.

I agree with this also. He was rough as a rookie (to be expected) and had no confidence because of the way he was used in his second year. But he looked pretty good in the summer league last year. And given a little time could really help a team

For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUZZJy3JFmE

**Although he is still Kouf. See were he misses the high five going to the bench and elbows Kenyon (33 seconds in) in the nose. Pretty funny stuff**
 
I don't know, I like(d) Koufos. If he was necessary to get Jefferson, then fine I guess. I get the feeling he was a throw-in, though, and that the Jazz had just given up on a 21-year old legit-sized C with some skill. I don't really know how you do that if that's the case, especially since he's practically free to try out. And especially since whenever I saw him play with some comfort level (instead of in a spastic fervor trying to make the most of his spot minutes in garbage time and/or hearing "DON'T SCREW UP" on repeat in his head) he seemed to play well. Which I firmly believe was the difference between a very promising rookie season and WTF sophomore season.

Just as a basis for comparison, I would've much rather traded the rights to Tomic than I would've traded Koufos. And I think the Timberwolves probably would have at least accepted that too.

Maybe all of the stress that had to come along with being the throw-in on two major trades and largely forgotten is good for him too. Who knows.
 
Just as a basis for comparison, I would've much rather traded the rights to Tomic than I would've traded Koufos. And I think the Timberwolves probably would have at least accepted that too.

I think that was part of the original proposal, or at least it was rumored. I don't have the link, but I thought it was reported someone from Minnesota went over to Europe and scouted Tomic. It was the year prior to the Jefferson trade, but as we later found out, KOC had been trying to trade for Big Al before the deadline that season. When the deal was actually made, Minnesota insisted Koufos be included.

At this point it's all water under the bridge. I have no doubt Favors and Kanter will both be better players than Kosta. And Koufos' presence on the roster would not have influenced the Favors trade nor the draft. The only thing it would have changed is the signing of Elson. And in that case, maybe the Jazz would have won a few more games and made the playoffs.
 
macedonia is 1 point ahead 4 secs to go, if they win russia will play lithuania in quarter final, its a tough match
 
Blatt, seeking to guide Russia to its second title since 2007, described Kirilenko’s game as “unbelievable” and compared the free agent to a “beautiful wild horse.”
“He’s best when he’s running around the court and he’s free. Most of his best plays come from instinct. I try to tell him a little about how to play, but it only seems to bother him,” Blatt said.
“You can’t teach or coach what he does, and you can’t prepare against him. Thank God he’s on my side.”

Blatt is so smart, one of my favorite coaches in Europe... to bad for AK and Jazz that thanks to Sloan after 2007 Jazz never had that "free beautiful wild horse".
 
Blatt is so smart, one of my favorite coaches in Europe... to bad for AK and Jazz that thanks to Sloan after 2007 Jazz never had that "free beautiful wild horse".

To a farmer, there is nothing "beautiful" about a wild horse. The thing needs to be tamed and hitched to a plow in order to provide any value at all.
 
I've said it before and I keep saying it, I have always loved AK and still do. Want him back on 3 year 4-5 million dollar deal. Thriller and the rest of you haters are just wrong on this issue.

I love how people say he didn't work on his game. Bullpucky you don't know that.

I love how people say he was mentally week. Bullpucky you don't know that.

I love how people says he a crybaby. Bullpucky he wanted to help his team more that he was allowed.

The two true points against the guy that cannot be disputed was he is oft injured and he didn't earn a max contract. Agreed and agreed. But at 4 million a year you have to have an IQ of 5 not to take that deal.
 
I've said it before and I keep saying it, I have always loved AK and still do. Want him back on 3 year 4-5 million dollar deal. Thriller and the rest of you haters are just wrong on this issue.

I love how people say he didn't work on his game. Bullpucky you don't know that.

I love how people say he was mentally week. Bullpucky you don't know that.

I love how people says he a crybaby. Bullpucky he wanted to help his team more that he was allowed.

The two true points against the guy that cannot be disputed was he is oft injured and he didn't earn a max contract. Agreed and agreed. But at 4 million a year you have to have an IQ of 5 not to take that deal.

The problem with AK isn't he isn't going to be a good player when we are going to be making runs in 3 or 4 years. Personally I don't think AK will be accepting less than 8 mil a year. He is still a capable NBA starter and taking less than that would be insulting.
 
I've said it before and I keep saying it, I have always loved AK and still do. Want him back on 3 year 4-5 million dollar deal. Thriller and the rest of you haters are just wrong on this issue.
I'd be happy to have him back for that amount anyway. But your professed love for AK might have tinted your glasses Russian red.

I love how people say he didn't work on his game. Bullpucky you don't know that.
Whether he worked on his game or not is not as relevant as to whether he has improved recently. I'd say that his improvement was modest, and counteracted by being a bit less athletic

I love how people say he was mentally week. Bullpucky you don't know that.
This claim would be much more proveable. Again, what matters most is the games. Is he being a smart player? A good teammate? Or is he still kamikazeing into the paint or launching up ill-advised jumpers? I maintain that he still isn't integrated, sometimes is a maverick to the detriment of the team. And his defense isn't as convincing anymore (which might be more of a physical thing).

I love how people says he a crybaby. Bullpucky he wanted to help his team more that he was allowed.
Two words: 2004 playoffs.

The two true points against the guy that cannot be disputed was he is oft injured and he didn't earn a max contract. Agreed and agreed. But at 4 million a year you have to have an IQ of 5 not to take that deal.
Let's see him accept a $4M/year contract. He could probably make close to that amount in Russia.
 
I've said it before and I keep saying it, I have always loved AK and still do. Want him back on 3 year 4-5 million dollar deal. Thriller and the rest of you haters are just wrong on this issue.

I love how people say he didn't work on his game. Bullpucky you don't know that.

I love how people say he was mentally week. Bullpucky you don't know that.

I love how people says he a crybaby. Bullpucky he wanted to help his team more that he was allowed.

The two true points against the guy that cannot be disputed was he is oft injured and he didn't earn a max contract. Agreed and agreed. But at 4 million a year you have to have an IQ of 5 not to take that deal.

Week is a noun, not a mental state.
 
I don't think AK is mentally weak at all. Wasn't it after the crying incident that we played Golden State who was hot that year and he shut down Stephen Jackson who was playing the best ball of his career at that time? That takes a lot of mental fortitude to come back like that. AK's "weakness" is more physical. He's not a burly, muscular guy and you'll notice that the NBA players are stronger, physical specimens than the Euro players, and which may be why he excels more in the Euro game.
 
How do you properly utilize a small-ball 4 playing as a wing when his production and disposition changes with the weather, generally can't hit a shot, and has an okay but extremely loose dribble? In the second half of the '09-'10 season when he put together his best string of games since 2005, was that because he was finally being used properly? Just, all of a sudden, Jerry got it... and then he just forgot?

Really, what are his strengths, and how do they fit in to any kind of successful model of a team construct? Being the best jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none still means he's master of none. Especially when he can't stay healthy, and it's anyone's guess who he shows up as on a nightly basis.

Anyway, I'll start with his strengths: really smart, great vision, great passer. And then there's just a blank. Or rather, a TON of things he can do some nights and not others.

And again, last year he was actually worse (or equal-to at best) than in '06-'07. There just weren't any tears and trade demands.

I dont want to come off like I'm ripping you as I usually do. But as far as what his strengths are? He brings fire and intensity to the team. And I think unhealthy isnt the word, but rather over-passionate. Nobody can tell me that this guy isnt in love with basketball. Who cries like a baby on a national televised interview because he couldnt play upto his own expectations and therefore felt that he let down the team? The only reaso he gets injured all the time is because hes hard on his body playing defense that he would have to do if even half of the team gave 2 shts about winning or loosing. Everyone says his shot always comes and goes. Consistency is what maybe 5 percent of the players in the NBA possess. He doest fall into that 5% catagory. But another 95% of the NBA doesnt fall into AK's passion to win catagory. I would take someone that plays defense like thier life is on the line as opposed to a player that plays for the highlight reel any night of the week. So AK cant produce like he did 8 years ago, but really??? Who can??? Pull your head out.
 
We've been using the coaching excuse for 6 freakin' years to excuse AK's 70% effort. How about the lack of an outside game? How about the pouting if he doesn't receive enough "touches?" Sure he gets a few steals and 1 1/2 blocks per game. The blocks are either from the weak side or when he gets beaten but then manages to get his hand on the ball. But for every block, he gives up 10 easy shots, either by getting taken off the dribble or allowing to much space and giving up an uncontested jumper. AK is a below average one-on-one defender. Offensively he has one move: drive wildly into the lane and throw the ball up in the air hoping the ref will bail him out. Sometimes works at home. Free of Sloan, AK would go back to chucking up wild 3's. I'd rather have CJ throwing up those shots (and I despise Chucker Smiles).

Besides, this team is >2 years away from contending. AK is well into his decline. You want to waste development time of Hayward and Burks, not to mention long-term salary space for a guy who will be well lpast his useful years when the team is ready to make the next leap into possibly contending? Better to let CJ have some minutes - or even Millsap - at the 3. You'd at least be building up some trade value with those players and perhaps get a mid-1st at the deadline.

This post of yours got me curious as to AK's contribution over the years. Hmmm, what are you talking about? How about the lack of an outside game? No one has ever said AK was an outstanding 3 point shooter. But he's not that bad over his 10 year career. Ak's been shooting 31% from Three. (For a starting small forward who is not a know as a 3 point shooter? Pretty good). And you dont just average 2 blks per game and 1.4 stls per game from playing poor defense, sorry.
Sure he gets a few steals and 1 1/2 blocks per game. The blocks are either from the weak side or when he gets beaten but then manages to get his hand on the ball. But for every block, he gives up 10 easy shots
Wow, where do I start? I guess this is a 1+1=2 equation for you. If you get beaten off of the dribble and then "manage" (I put it in quotations because you said it. = See previous sentence stated by yourself.) to get your hand on the ball..... Well, this is what is called........... GOOD DEFENSE!!!! "Managing" to get your hand on the ball of the player that beats you off the dribble or that is right in front of you is called DEFENSE. Can you say, DE.....FENCE???? A fence is the wooden or plastic thing that surrounds the sandbox that you play in all day. Than just put a D in front of it! Then add an E after the D and change the spelling of fence to fense. :)
Offensively he has one move: drive wildly into the lane and throw the ball up in the air hoping the re will bail him out. Sometimes works at home. Free of Sloan, AK would go back to chucking up wild 3's. I'd rather have CJ throwing up those shots
Ok, driving to the basket to draw a foul is what every player should do when given the chance. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. Thats the game! However it has worked to the point that AK has attempted 3,302 times in his career, at which he has made 76% of his free throws. And as far as 3 pt shots go, AK is averaging an attempt of 1.6 3's per game. "Chucking" up 3's like he used to?? Really?
this team is >2 years away from contending. AK is well into his decline. You want to waste development time of Hayward and Burks, not to mention long-term salary space for a guy who will be well lpast his useful years when the team is ready to make the next leap into possibly contending? Better to let CJ have some minutes - or even Millsap - at the 3. You'd at least be building up some trade value with those players and perhaps get a mid-1st at the deadline
2 years away from contending? Last time we contended we had Boozer and Williams several years ago. We got smashed by LA. Before that we had Stockton and Malone. Who do we have thats going to make us a contender? Kanter? Miles? Hayward? You havent jumped off thier birdies since you started this topic. 2 years, Based on what? I hope your right on your time frame, but you seriously would take CJ Miles over AK? Wait, wait, wait........ Build trade value with CJ Miles? You dont remember we let CJ shop himself during his free agency. The Hornets wanted him at just shy of a contract that the Jazz had been offering him. You think his value is going to build if we allow him to suck further into his contract? Or do you think there is still a lil Kobe deeply rooted inside of him?
AK's first 6 years he averaged just shy of 13 ppg. The last 4 years, 11.5. ppg. averaging 47% shooting. I really dont know how to comment on you saying he gives up un-contested jumpers all the time. Its pretty hard to achieve well above average defensive stats for a starting small forward in the NBA and have a title of a lazy defender. Maybe you should actually watch a game instead of waiting for ESPN to tell you what you should think.
 
We've been using the coaching excuse for 6 freakin' years to excuse AK's 70% effort. How about the lack of an outside game? How about the pouting if he doesn't receive enough "touches?" Sure he gets a few steals and 1 1/2 blocks per game. The blocks are either from the weak side or when he gets beaten but then manages to get his hand on the ball. But for every block, he gives up 10 easy shots, either by getting taken off the dribble or allowing to much space and giving up an uncontested jumper. AK is a below average one-on-one defender. Offensively he has one move: drive wildly into the lane and throw the ball up in the air hoping the ref will bail him out. Sometimes works at home. Free of Sloan, AK would go back to chucking up wild 3's. I'd rather have CJ throwing up those shots (and I despise Chucker Smiles).

Besides, this team is >2 years away from contending. AK is well into his decline. You want to waste development time of Hayward and Burks, not to mention long-term salary space for a guy who will be well lpast his useful years when the team is ready to make the next leap into possibly contending? Better to let CJ have some minutes - or even Millsap - at the 3. You'd at least be building up some trade value with those players and perhaps get a mid-1st at the deadline.

I actually believe this team can start contending this year. Especially with a probable shortened season, and especially with AK.
Every young team needs veteran leadership, and that leadership needs to come from AK, Okur, and Watson.
I actually believe AK could be in his prime mentally, and maybe even physically (considering his 20 or 30 pound weight gain over the last few seasons).
He's more active during the off-season than 70 percent of the league, and he does more for his teammates at passing the ball than maybe anyone at that position in the league.
You can talk all day about how he might be declining, and might be slowing down a young team.
At the end of the day.... if the Jazz don't resign him, I guarantee a contending team like Miami, Dallas, Chicago, Orlando, or L.A. will pick him up in a heartbeat.
He still has a lot of value, and he'll be one the higher sought after free agents after the lockout.
I mean seriously.... who is really that much, if even any better than Kirilenko for 3 or 4 million a year?
 
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