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Ersan Ilyasova to sign with Jazz per Jordan Schultz

I would expect that he will need some time to get into game shape. So, don't expect much for a while. But so long as he's ready for the playoffs, that's when we'll need him. I could be wrong, however. Depends on what he's been doing during his inactivity.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I don't think he'll play ahead of Niang. But I could be wrong. Currently Niang is putting up our team best defensive rating, just slightly ahead of Gobert $2 and Conley #3. He's been very solid this year. I do like the signing though, he's a solid player who is there if we have injuries.
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I didn’t realize that Niang’s defensive rating was that good! I’m not going to slander the guy - glue all the way always locked in. I do feel like a lot depends on the match ups and also feel Ilyosova can find his minutes at three different positions.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It’s crazy to think Quin would play a vet over less proven players. I feel like some of y’all haven’t been around much the last 5-6 years.
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When in the last 5-6 years did you have an established successful rotation where someone more experienced has disrupted the rotation?

Which "less proven players" in the rotation are getting their minutes cut, in your opinion? What is the new rotation?

He'll take garbage time minutes from Morgan, Brantley and Niang

He'll get minutes when Favors/ Niang/ Gobert/ Bogey/ Ingles are injured/ resting/ COVID/ unavailable. Jazz have been very lucky to have few absences.

If he's in the "non-absence" rotation I would be surprised.

He's an insurance policy because our 10-15 bench is very inexperienced and you want to be able to plug in a vet in the playoff race and playoffs
 
framer said:
He should allow us to "manage" Bojan if we need to, as well.
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That is a really interesting point. Bogey seems to be hot or cold and Quin sticks with him when he is cold. I don't have stats to back this up, but I don't recall games where he starts cold and then heats up. Does Quin throw in the towel when Bogey is off and go with Ilyasova? Possibly. This goes back to my thesis: he is a cheap insurance policy.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Not sure what the issue is. I got this from wikipedia.

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Ersan İlyasova - Wikipedia

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So he is likely older than he claims I guess? Either way he is what he is as a player, not sure why this would be that much of a big deal at this point in his career. It is one thing to be a young prospect and quite another to be an established veteran with a full body of work to judge off of.
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Lying is the issue.
 
Archie Moses said:
Lying is the issue.
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Oh I see.

I really have no issue with that. In that part of the world, in order to get ahead and get out of what was likely a rough situation, I would understand it. Until we know more what the original situation was I am not too concerned by it, and it appears that other than a few reports of one guy with a very similar name (Arsen) suddenly "disappearing" from any public records and then Ersan showing up, there are no other details. This could all be wrong too, could be an unfortunate coincidence. No one really knows, except Ersan himself and apparently he is sticking to his guns. There are players that have had way worse backgrounds than pretending they are older or younger than they are.
 
Bodhi said:
You think he's playing in front of Niang? If not, thats the end of the rotation, no?
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I don't know... I don't think he was brought in to collect dust... I just don't think it is crazy (which is what I responded to) to think he could take Niang's spot in the rotation. I think its 50/50... could just be injury insurance... could be Niang's replacement. Neither would be crazy or surprising.
 
silesian said:
When in the last 5-6 years did you have an established successful rotation where someone more experienced has disrupted the rotation?

Which "less proven players" in the rotation are getting their minutes cut, in your opinion? What is the new rotation?

He'll take garbage time minutes from Morgan, Brantley and Niang

He'll get minutes when Favors/ Niang/ Gobert/ Bogey/ Ingles are injured/ resting/ COVID/ unavailable. Jazz have been very lucky to have few absences.

If he's in the "non-absence" rotation I would be surprised.

He's an insurance policy because our 10-15 bench is very inexperienced and you want to be able to plug in a vet in the playoff race and playoffs
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He played Joe Johnson, Jeff Green, Ed Davis, Thabo for longer than he should have. Maybe it is less about vets and more about the established rotation but I think Quin has a reverence for vets. JZ also clearly loves Ersan... coach Bud loves him some Ersan... Its also sometimes considered disrespectful to play vets in garbage time... like they are above it.

It is not crazy at all to think Ersan overtakes Niang in the rotation. Is it likely? IDK... you said it was crazy and it is well within the realm of possibility.
 
This just smells a little like giving a coach a veteran crutch and coaches love veteran crutches. It could be a good thing if Morgan, Brantley, Oni aren’t good enough... but they could provide something different that we need. If we never throw them in the fire we will never know.

If he is Niang Bojan insurance I’m just not sure that’s where I would prioritize our needs. We really need some variety at that spot. I probably would have done a 10 day dance with guys before going this route.

If he is a precursor to a trade that makes some sense I guess.

If he is brought in to be a slight upgrade to Niang and it works then great.

I just hope we are still looking for variety on the wing... nothing good may come up. I think we should be as aggressive as our assets allow. We have the best record but teams are getting healthy and I think there will be one or two trades/additions that significantly improve teams we may have to beat in the playoffs. Improve or die.
 
silesian said:
That is a really interesting point. Bogey seems to be hot or cold and Quin sticks with him when he is cold. I don't have stats to back this up, but I don't recall games where he starts cold and then heats up. Does Quin throw in the towel when Bogey is off and go with Ilyasova? Possibly. This goes back to my thesis: he is a cheap insurance policy.
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Bojan has had games where he has lit up the third quarter after a pedestrian first half. I have seen games where it is apparent that something is bothering him as well, especially in some of these three games in 4 nights situations. I would like for there to be some other option than just Niang and Favors if we want to rest himor limit Bojan's minutes a little in those situations.

The Jazz are fighting for a 1 seed, there just isn't going to be time to cycle in 10 day contacts. Thats not what championship contenders do, unless they have no other options. They load up on vets, preferably with playoff experience.

Morgan, Brantley, and someone like Udoh just aren't going to cut it, because we don't have the room to develop them and compete for the first seed. Oni is the "emergency" backup. There is only really room for one of those.
 
One Brow said:
Who are the really good coaches that don't have "reverence for vets"?
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Pop has shown he isn't afraid to play the young guys in minutes that matter, but he is the only Pop, so there is that.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Pop has shown he isn't afraid to play the young guys in minutes that matter, but he is the only Pop, so there is that.
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It is a function of who is on the bench and who you have to choose from. - even for Pop. The deeper the bench the more you rely on vets. We did plenty to develop new guys before we ended up being so deep.
 
Lenny Wilkins, Dick Motta, Bill Russell and oh one Jerry Sloan have all said "I will play who is both hustling and producing. If it's a rookie so be it." The only one that doesn't have an NBA championship ring as a coach is Sloan and he played for Motta awhile.
 
One consequence from this signing...

IF Ersan gets minutes THEN I expect Miye is not going to see many minutes. Miye was clearly the next man up when a small had an injury. I think Ersan gets those minutes and we go with a bigger lineup. Just my 2 bits.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He played Joe Johnson, Jeff Green, Ed Davis, Thabo for longer than he should have.
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What were Quin's options?

I guess one could argue that Thabo and Joe were taking developmental minutes away from Niang and Royce (along with the likes of Burks and Exum). But I don't think they were exactly ready for prime time in 2017 and developed nicely in secondary roles.

Ed Davis was stealing minutes from Tony Bradley so there was no great option.

So there is no good precedent where you had a vet replacing very good established very good rotation players, as is the case today
 
silesian said:
That is a really interesting point. Bogey seems to be hot or cold and Quin sticks with him when he is cold. I don't have stats to back this up, but I don't recall games where he starts cold and then heats up. Does Quin throw in the towel when Bogey is off and go with Ilyasova? Possibly. This goes back to my thesis: he is a cheap insurance policy.
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If Quin won't even close games with Ingles over Bogey then there's no way in hell he's going to play Ilyasova over him.
 
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