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Hughes did shoot 34% in the G-League so I definitely think he's NBA ready.

People really talk themselves into the roster filler guys...
That’s a horrible number for sure. Were there other factors? Was he recovering from injury? Was his team really lacking talent which enabled defenses to focus on him? Was he forcing things?

If he can’t even compete well in the G league, why the **** did we draft him? Another misfire by management?

If so, how else can one describe this past summer with the Favors (he looks like a shell of his former self) signing and Udoka and Hughes draft picks as nothing short of a disaster?

BTW, favors is averaging less than 2 pts and 1 rebound more than Tony Bradley while playing 3 minutes more. Was it worth it???
 
What evidence do we have that Elijah would be a worse defender than Bogie? Because from what I’ve seen, Bogie might be the worst defender on the entire team. It’s between he and Niang. I haven’t seen Hughes on defense. But if we’re using Bogie’s offense to justify his defense, then couldn’t one argue for Hughes ability to create off the dribble to justify his defensive liabilities in the same way you’re justifying Bogie’s
Shooting? What about the points Bogie gives the other team by constantly getting stripped which leads to easy fast break opportunities?

What production is Royce providing us again? 7ish pts per game? His defense is far from lockdown. If we’re going to use Royce’s defense to justify his playing time, couldn’t one argue for Oni in the same manner? What about all the second shot opportunities Oni creates with his hustle and rebounding? Does Oni have a higher ceiling? Better handles? There’s got to be a better measure of Royce’s worth than just the mythical defense and non-box score stuff that we routinely use to justify the status quo. I mean, in that case, he’ll never actually have to produce anything in the box score and can remain in the starting lineup permanently.

What about the pts we leave in the table because teams know Royce isn’t an offensive threat? Or the points we give up because Bogie is always the worst defender on the floor unless Kanter is there?

I’m not claiming that Hughes or Oni should be given a free lunch. But I think it’s absurd to maintain the status quo without giving Oni or Hughes a chance. Neither Bogie or Royce are doing things that can’t be replaced. Just because they’ve been starters in the past doesn’t mean they should for the present or future. Especially Bogie, who has been displaced offensively by Conley, Clarkson, and seemingly Jingles. I just don’t understand why neither Hughes or Oni are getting playing time.
Hughes was awful on defense in the pre-season... I remember hearing in the G League it wasn't great but wasn't terrible. As mentioned directly above Hughes shot 34% in the G league... so lets just calm down here.

Royce is our second best defender... Ideally he'd be our 3rd or 4th best. I get that he isn't scoring at a high clip but he does score efficiently and he helps us on the glass. The offense has not been the problem, so not sure why Royce is catching these strays.

I'm fairly confident that Bojan currently is a better defender than Hughes... I think just being a veteran and understanding where you should be would provide him a huge advantage even if Hughes has way more athleticism.

Bojan is one of the best shooters in the league... just him hanging out in the corner provides value on offense. He turns it over a couple times a game... its okay. I'd rather just minimize his role then irrationally just play a G League guy (who was ****** in the g league) over him.
 
Hughes was awful on defense in the pre-season... I remember hearing in the G League it wasn't great but wasn't terrible. As mentioned directly above Hughes shot 34% in the G league... so lets just calm down here.

Royce is our second best defender... Ideally he'd be our 3rd or 4th best. I get that he isn't scoring at a high clip but he does score efficiently and he helps us on the glass. The offense has not been the problem, so not sure why Royce is catching these strays.

I'm fairly confident that Bojan currently is a better defender than Hughes... I think just being a veteran and understanding where you should be would provide him a huge advantage even if Hughes has way more athleticism.

Bojan is one of the best shooters in the league... just him hanging out in the corner provides value on offense. He turns it over a couple times a game... its okay. I'd rather just minimize his role then irrationally just play a G League guy (who was ****** in the g league) over him.
I disagree, the offense has been inefficient and bad. Just because the defense has been horrendous doesn’t mean that the offense hasn’t been bad.

The last game alone shows this. Raptors shot a better percentage, had 10 more assists, and had fewer turnovers.

This pattern remains pretty consistent throughout our last 10 games. Especially in the losses where we shoot 10+ percent less than the opponent and commit more turnovers.

While the defense has been horrendous for a month or so, the offense is now not as inefficient as it used to be. Hence, the reason why we can lose to teams like golden state and washington.
 
Hughes was awful on defense in the pre-season... I remember hearing in the G League it wasn't great but wasn't terrible. As mentioned directly above Hughes shot 34% in the G league... so lets just calm down here.

Royce is our second best defender... Ideally he'd be our 3rd or 4th best. I get that he isn't scoring at a high clip but he does score efficiently and he helps us on the glass. The offense has not been the problem, so not sure why Royce is catching these strays.

I'm fairly confident that Bojan currently is a better defender than Hughes... I think just being a veteran and understanding where you should be would provide him a huge advantage even if Hughes has way more athleticism.

Bojan is one of the best shooters in the league... just him hanging out in the corner provides value on offense. He turns it over a couple times a game... its okay. I'd rather just minimize his role then irrationally just play a G League guy (who was ****** in the g league) over him.
We have a pretty good sample size now with this season and Bogie is shooting 42 percent FG and 38 percent from 3. He’s not one of the best shooters in the league. This combined with his worst on the team defense, makes me wonder why we shouldn’t at least experiment with lineups or minutes? What’s the worst that can happen? Oni or Hughes suck so bad we lose to Washington? Already done that.

I don’t understand why he shouldn’t see his minutes diminished. And I don’t understand why Oni and/or Hughes shouldn’t see some of them. Seems irrational to continue to play players based on their names and not on their actual production.
 
We have a pretty good sample size now with this season and Bogie is shooting 42 percent FG and 38 percent from 3. He’s not one of the best shooters in the league. This combined with his worst on the team defense, makes me wonder why we shouldn’t at least experiment with lineups or minutes? What’s the worst that can happen? Oni or Hughes suck so bad we lose to Washington? Already done that.

I don’t understand why he shouldn’t see his minutes diminished. And I don’t understand why Oni and/or Hughes shouldn’t see some of them. Seems irrational to continue to play players based on their names and not on their actual production.
Yes there are tons of volume three point shooters that are shooting better than him this year... a year that is lower than his career averages and that he is coming off of wrist surgery...

I mean go look at Buddy Hield, Duncan Robinson, Davis Bertans, etc. and you would see that they are all... oh wait... ****... they are all slightly below Bojan.
 
I get the excitement of a bench warmer you've never seen play before, but at some point you have to understand that a certain status and playing time is earned...and that's ok. We made jokes about Mike ****ing Conley...but yeah, it didn't matter that he was a trash can. Trent Forrest wasn't going to take his starting spot.

I think a reasonable way to deal with the Bogey situation is to swap his role with Joe (or simply let Joe close very time) and have Oni replace Niang. I'm a big Niang supporter and have never been that high on Bogey, but that sounds reasonable to me. Benching him entirely for a bad G-League player isn't the way to go about this.
 
I get the excitement of a bench warmer you've never seen play before, but at some point you have to understand that a certain status and playing time is earned...and that's ok. We made jokes about Mike ****ing Conley...but yeah, it didn't matter that he was a trash can. Trent Forrest wasn't going to take his starting spot.

I think a reasonable way to deal with the Bogey situation is to swap his role with Joe (or simply let Joe close very time) and have Oni replace Niang. I'm a big Niang supporter and have never been that high on Bogey, but that sounds reasonable to me. Benching him entirely for a bad G-League player isn't the way to go about this.
But that’s just it, I don’t know how good Hughes is. Why not give him
Some Minutes?And wasn’t Forrest a journeyman?
 
Jazz seem like they purposely went out and got a lot of senior players
These are guys who should be ready to play with out a whole lot of development
Hard to understand what they are doing
 
It seems like some of you already believe Hughes is a bust. If that’s the case, then someone needs to be fired. We overpaid on favors and drafted two busts.

I don’t know what Hughes can or cannot do. But i think we should be more open to playing some of our young guys. Royce isnt Lebron and Bogie isn't Prime Dirk. Why aren’t we more open to playing our young talent unless that talent just isn’t very good? And if that’s the case, then what the hell were we doing this off-season? Clearly, there was talent available; McDaniels and Bane obviously.
 
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It seems like some of you already believe Hughes is a bust. If that’s the case, then someone needs to be fired. We overpaid on favors and drafted two busts.

I don’t know what Hughes can or cannot do. But i think we should be more open to playing some of our young guys. Royce isnt Lebron and Bogie isn't Prime Dirk. Why aren’t we more open to playing our young talent unless that talent just isn’t very good? And if that’s the case, then what the hell were we doing this off-season? Clearly, there was talent available; McDaniels and Bane obviously.
Rookies rarely help you win outside of elite talent. Hughes might become a rotation player for us but those players you listed are rotational players. You are telling the best team in the NBA to play someone who hasn't proved anything, to play over legit players.
 
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Rookies rarely help you win outside of elite talent. Hughes might become a rotation player for us but those players you listed are rotational players. You are telling the best team in the NBA to play someone who hasn't proved anything, to play over legit players.
Royce is a “legit” player? Bogie needs 30+ mins? He’s shouting sub 40 percent from 3 and is the worst defender on the team.
 
Stick to politics, Thriller.





But seriously, I don't think you understand Quin. You're tilting at windmills with this line of argumentation.
 
Oh Cmon. Royce is so overrated by this board and Bogie’s shooting this year has been atrocious.
You’ve been the most emotional person on this board for a decade now. I wish I could allow myself to believe this is just some funny internet shtick, but unfortunately it’s plain as day that it isn’t.
 
Of course we'd have to give away picks in any Bogey trade. But if we can get Gordon in return it'd be one of the best case scenarios
I’d take Casper in a heartbeat! Street cred for days! Coolest character in Uncle Drew and the best dunker never to win the slam dunk.
If we don’t lay it on the table now, when will we ever be in this position again? Sit on our thumbs in conservative Jazz style and take another 1st round loss and I’m Larry David’s Jets fan friend. Well I mean minus the trophy wife with the magic vajee:(
 
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You’ve been the most emotional person on this board for a decade now. I wish I could allow myself to believe this is just some funny internet shtick, but unfortunately it’s plain as day that it isn’t.

I wouldn't consider Thriller emotional. Passionate is a better word.
 
Almost the end of the 3rd against Chicago and Bogie and Royce killing it again with 11 pts and 4-14 (28 percent) shooting. I really don’t understand why we think their production is so irreplaceable.

Neither Hughes or Oni have even entered the game. Why? We couldn’t work at least one of these guys into the lineup to see what they got? Just a few mins???
 
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