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Handlogten's Heros said:
Geez… really?
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So you aren't concerned about fixing our obvious deficiencies? Geez...really?

These are the only comments instead of making a coherent argument how we are any better at all.

I of course never expected an earth-shattering pick at 30... Let alone at 40... But yet again we draft a clone of players we already have. We are still shooting for high floor and low ceilings when it is the ceilings that win in the playoffs.

So I'm decidedly underwhelmed. We moved back, got a decent overall player, and some 2nds. Ok. Next?
oneye said:
The Jazz drafted a playable player. Got 2 extra 2nd round picks, and saved around $4 million dollars by drafting him where they did. Who would you have proposed they draft to fix the defensive wing issues? Because I’m gonna say this draft went just fine and a lot better than last years. Zanick saved 4 million and got 2, 2nd round picks just to draft the guy they wanted at 30, at 40. By the way, his defense is also pretty decent.
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Finally a cogent argument/explanation. I was expecting just to continually get some version of "fush u u dum" as per usual.

I acknowledge all that of course. I'm willing to bet there were at least 2 or 3 guys that filled a bigger need at similar levels of BPA-ness, rather than drafting more clones of players we have and who might have had a somewhat lower floor but a higher potential ceiling. But maybe not.

Either way, at least this year it is "meh" instead of "what the **** are they doing?"
 
LogGrad98 said:
So you aren't concerned about fixing our obvious deficiencies? Geez...really?

These are the only comments instead of making a coherent argument how we are any better at all.

I of course never expected an earth-shattering pick at 30... Let alone at 40... But yet again we draft a clone of players we already have. We are still shooting for high floor and low ceilings when it is the ceilings that win in the playoffs.

So I'm decidedly underwhelmed. We moved back, got a decent overall player, and some 2nds. Ok. Next?

Finally a cogent argument/explanation. I was expecting just to continually get some version of "fush u u dum" as per usual.

I acknowledge all that of course. I'm willing to bet there were at least 2 or 3 guys that filled a bigger need at similar levels of BPA-ness, rather than drafting more clones of players we have and who might have had a somewhat lower floor but a higher potential ceiling. But maybe not.

Either way, at least this year it is "meh" instead of "what the **** are they doing?"
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I don’t think you understand Jared Butler. I think you will though when summer league starts. This isn’t some “meh” guy. This is arguably the best player on the national championship team.

This guy’s floor is rotation player, and he’s probably an NBA starter level player. At pick No. 40. Not at all a high floor, low-ceiling type. He’s a high floor,
high ceiling type.

To your point — we definitely need perimeter defense, and the fact that there was no Favors salary dump or mass purchase of late seconds for cheap contracts tonight suggests to me we may have another deal in the works to address just that.
 
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NUMBERICA said:
I'm not saying this dude is gonna be better than Donovan but I'm more excited about him than I was Donovan on draft night 2017. I wasn't sold on Donovan's jumper or his ability to run an offense. Butler looks NBA ready on both fronts out of the box or damn close.
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I am extremely hyped over the pick… so much so that I am having constant thoughts of moving Conley for a wing and handing Butler the keys. I may have drank the entire gallon of kool-aid though.
 
NUMBERICA said:
We were never gonna get the guy that solved our achilles heal in this draft and ready for this upcoming season. That was always trade/free agency.

At the very least, the Jazz got any young talent worth a god damn which they desperately need and some marginal assets that it turns out are actually worth something. That might not matter next year, but we need to be thinking about getting some dudes next to Donovan on his timeline before he forces his way out.

TLDR; you celebrate wins when you get them. Tonight was YUGE.
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Yeah yuge is a yuge stretch. This is more ok fine. I hope the guy can contribute right away as many seem to think. Apparently as per his tournament play it's a gigantic shocker he wasn't taken first.
 
This is still crazy awesome. Wade isn’t going to bring us any super stars by any means, but being welcomed to the Jazz by Dwyane f***** Wade is a huge positive as an organization.

 
LogGrad98 said:
Yeah yuge is a yuge stretch. This is more ok fine. I hope the guy can contribute right away as many seem to think. Apparently as per his tournament play it's a gigantic shocker he wasn't taken first.
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We are all in agreement with you the Jazz still need to make roster moves. Saving the $3-5 million here is a big deal considering where the Jazz money issues sit. Trade Joe or Bogey to address the defensive issues if you can, use your TPMLE, sign a vet minimum player, and now you have 2, 2nd round draft picks to throw into those trades, or hell one to use if you truly want to dump Favors money that bad and you still got the player you wanted to draft. Jazz need to do more, but tonight was a success imo.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yeah yuge is a yuge stretch. This is more ok fine. I hope the guy can contribute right away as many seem to think. Apparently as per his tournament play it's a gigantic shocker he wasn't taken first.
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Sounds like you just wanna dig your heals in to me but that's your right.

Before tonight the Jazz had dick for assets or talent in the coming years and now they have something to work with. I congratulate you if you never thought that was a big deal because that sounds like a nice reality to live in. I think they got a promising start to resolving a cataclysmic issue that's been brewing.
 
More Draft Night 2017 comparison:

Donovan didn't fit an obvious need, either. They had just gotten Rubio and Hayward was supposed to be the starting SG. Hood was still supposed to be a promising player and was assuredly ahead of Donovan on the depth chart. It's one of the reasons I felt meh about Donovan. Had we had tunnel vision about need, the Jazz would've drafted TJ Leaf or whoever it was they packaged Trey Lulz with to get Donovan.

At the end of the day, you need players that can play and you rarely find them at #30, let alone #40.
 
NUMBERICA said:
More Draft Night 2017 comparison:

Donovan didn't fit an obvious need, either. They had just gotten Rubio and Hayward was supposed to be the starting SG. Hood was still supposed to be a promising player and was assuredly ahead of Donovan on the depth chart. It's one of the reasons I felt meh about Donovan. Had we had tunnel vision about need, the Jazz would've drafted TJ Leaf or whoever it was they packaged Trey Lulz with to get Donovan.

At the end of the day, you need players that can play and you rarely find them at #30, let alone #40.
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Go back even further to 2013. Jazz drafted Gobert at #27 when Kanter was going into year 2 and Favors into year 3. Butler has a chance to be that type of player where in a few years the rest of the NBA is sitting there saying "Maybe he shouldn't of slipped all the way into the 2nd round."
 
With any luck, Butler can be the guy everyone points to for 4-5 years to “trust the process” with JZ.
 


JZ saying the right things. Obviously saying those things doesn’t mean anything, but it always felt like DL would only say them in a very abstract way and not in any way that drew attention and at least some form of accountability for your reputation.
 
That1UtahFan said:
More in depth 1 on 1 video with him breaking down his film.
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Doing a full watch through of this and Butler is going to THRIVE in the Jazz PnR offense. Can make defenders pay for going under screens and is always looking for open guys on the wings when there are over rotations.
 
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