Joe Rogan

[The Thriller]

I’ve never listened to any of his episodes and I never will. Doesn’t sound like I’m missing anything worth listening to. Apparently he’s used the N word in 70 episodes. How has it taken him this long to get in trouble? If I ever said any of these things, I’d be fired on the spot and you’d see my name all over KSL. This is ****ing disgusting:

Spoiler: Language, Racism, and Overall Grossness

Maybe I’m too comfortable with my own masculinity and don’t need to listen to this ****, buy thousands of dollars in guns, or drive an oversized truck, but I just don’t get the draw other than unhealthy masculinity here. This is just so vulgar and stupid. On top of everything Rogan’s stupid. Like here, this isn’t enlightening. Like this kind of info isn’t even hard to get. Maybe I should start a podcast and make millions sounding like 1 of the many idiots at the gym who don’t read any books and can’t keep any girlfriends.

 

[The Thriller]

I guess some of my thoughts (some of them are contradictory) are:

1. Rogan is the most popular podcaster in America maybe even the world and this is the garbage he spouts? No wonder why Trump won, we’re okay with children in cages, and millions refuse to get vaccinated. We have a large segment of our population lacking in virtue. Rogan to me represents a stupid and decadent culture. People who find this entertaining should try reading a book sometime… or having an actual in-person relationship with a woman. Could be life changing!
2. I’m anti cancel culture but I also believe in accountability. If artists remove their music from Spotify or if subscribers cancel over Rogan, then good. That’s the free market responding! Good decent folks SHOULD stand up for decency. If Rogan, David Duke, and Alex Jones want to start their own disgusting and racist Spotify, then they should go and do that.
3. I believe tech companies have been irresponsible in what types of media they promote. Facebook, Instagram, and Spotify are contributing to the degradation of our society. They really need to step up. Again, let decent people have their platforms and let the disgusting and racist folks have theirs.
4. Although a big part of my job is using technology and teaching folks how to use technology, I do often wonder if the ease at which we possess information or send out information is actually a detriment.

For example, 20 years ago if I got mad at something, I didn’t have an online audience to spout off to. If I got angry at someone or a business, I’d actually have to write a letter, find a stamp, find their address, etc. in that time I’d usually think better of it. Today? I can commit career suicide from the comfort of house on my phone.
Likewise, folks are consuming vulgar and horrible information, videos, and images instantly and through their phones. There’s no price to pay. There’s no effort in having to research anything. There’s no vetting of information using Google. I can read the dumbest Covid vaccine conspiracies, watch porn, or consume vulgar podcasts from someone’s basement that would never be aired on am radio, all on my phone.

Is this a good thing?

 

[Bucknutz]

How are they not in trouble?

 

[The Thriller]

How are they not in trouble?

I have no idea who those people are or what show this is. Let’s concentrate on Rogan. If we want to broaden it out to the effects (positive and negative) of technology and the ease we have of consuming information (good and bad) that’s fine too. But I don’t exactly have any interest in engaging in whataboutism today.

 

[Bucknutz]

2. I’m anti cancel culture but I also believe in accountability. If artists remove their music from Spotify or if subscribers cancel over Rogan, then good. That’s the free market responding! Good decent folks SHOULD stand up for decency. If Rogan, David Duke, and Alex Jones want to start their own disgusting and racist Spotify, then they should go and do that.

3. I believe tech companies have been irresponsible in what types of media they promote. Facebook, Instagram, and Spotify are contributing to the degradation of our society. They really need to step up. Again, let decent people have their platforms and let the disgusting and racist folks have theirs.

You bring up other people, the ones that have different political, Covid, and other views than you. So I brought up ones that have made the same type of remarks in their past, that have the same views you have. You knew who The Young Turks were in 2015 from a simple search of your posts. Now you don’t…
They have 14 million subscribers and 8 billions views since 2002. Very progressive views. I don’t watch them or listen to their podcasts, because I choose not to. But I don’t believe they should be canceled.
The same for Joe Rogan, I never listened to a full episode, just clips with Bill Burr.
Same with Whoopi, I don’t believe she should have been suspended.

 

[The Thriller]

You bring up other people, the ones that have different political, Covid, and other views than you. So I brought up ones that have made the same type of remarks in their past, that have the same views you have. You knew who The Young Turks were in 2015 from a simple search of your posts. Now you don’t…

Someone posted a YouTube video and created a thread in 2015 and I responded to it. Cmon dude, you’re really grasping at straws.

They have 14 million subscribers and 8 billions views since 2002. Very progressive views.
I don’t watch them or listen to their podcasts, because I choose not to. But I don’t believe they should be canceled.
The same for Joe Rogan, I never listened to a full episode, just clips with Bill Burr.
Same with Whoopi, I don’t believe she should have been suspended.

Not getting into whataboutism. This is a loser childish argument and I have no interest in pursuing this. Sorry.

I don’t believe government should be in the censoring business. However, I absolutely believe that social media platforms have a tremendous responsibility to ensure that they’re not merely monetizing on the disinformation, hate, and disunity that their algorithms promote. Facebook and Instagram are terrible at this. They’re responsible for so much pain, death, hatred, and sickness around the world. They alone can bring down liberal democracy in ways that enemies of democracy could’ve only dreamed of.

artists/entertainers need to be held accountable. If they step over the line then they need to pay some sort of a price. That’s… how they know that what they’re doing is wrong.

The public/consumers need to have enough virtue to reject the hate, disinformation, and garbage produced by entertainers, grifters, etc. that absolutely means cancelling subscriptions and maintaining boycotts of artists/companies that they don’t support. It’s called the free market!

 

[Rubashov]

Ive never listened to Rogan, I listen to Jon Mitchell a lot. Joni is no longer on Spotify cause Rogan is, Rogan can **** off.

All gets down to advertising and Rogan generates a lot. He's going nowhere

 

[The Thriller]

Ive never listened to Rogan, I listen to Jon Mitchell a lot. Joni is no longer on Spotify cause Rogan is, Rogan can **** off.

All gets down to advertising and Rogan generates a lot. He's going nowhere

Isn't it sad that there's such a large audience for such filth? I don't get the draw other than bored middle class folks wanting to feel like they're still top jock in high school. Rogan is nothing more than Rush Limbaugh. Erich Fromm @Red talks about this. There's something empowering with entertainers saying the most crude and vilest things and there's something empowering to listeners to be given permission to listen to and sometimes act out these worse impulses.

 

[One Brow]

How are they not in trouble?

There is a difference between quoting other people's usage and trying to legitimize usage. A person could have gone over the Rogan uses to explain why all of them are condemnations of the use of that word, except that doesn't seem to be what Rogan is doing. Instead, they try to distract and make accusations of hypocrisy. Even if the accusations of hypocrisy are correct, that doesn't mean what Rogan was saying is acceptable.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I’ve never listened to any of his episodes and I never will.

So glad you have an opinion then.

This seems to be the fashion lately. People who know nothing about guns want to argue in gun debates. People who don't have daughters in competitive sports, a solid grasp on performance biology, or the actual regulations think they have something to contribute to the controversy over biological males competing in divisions set up for women. People with next to no exposure to Black Americans have so much conviction in their opinions that they'll condemn the opinions of Black people if they don't match their own opinion. I don't even know where to begin on COVID, masks, lockdowns, etc.

I do applaud you for at least admitting your ignorance before continuing on with your opinion. I suppose that is what the internet is for but it does grate sometimes.

 

[The Thriller]

There is a difference between quoting other people's usage and trying to legitimize usage. A person could have gone over the Rogan uses to explain why all of them are condemnations of the use of that word, except that doesn't seem to be what Rogan is doing. Instead, they try to distract and make accusations of hypocrisy. Even if the accusations of hypocrisy are correct, that doesn't mean what Rogan was saying is acceptable.

Well stated, sincerely I mean it.

I'm sure this poster (who is probably just another Franklin alt) will admit you're right and not try another round of whataboutisms (sarcasm).

Which is why I'd prefer if we kept whataboutisms out of this.

 

[The Thriller]

This is what freedom without any responsibility gets you:

Malone, who bills himself as having played a key role in the creation of mRNA vaccines, has emerged as one of the most controversial voices of the movement against coronavirus vaccines and health mandates. His claims and suggestions have been discredited and denounced by medical professionals as not only wrong, but also dangerous. Twitter barred him for violating the platform’s coronavirus misinformation policy, but he has found platforms elsewhere — recently appearing on an episode of Joe Rogan’s wildly popular podcast, which averages 11 million listeners per episode.


That show — along with guest spots on Fox News programming hosted by Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham — has thrust the 62-year-old into the limelight at a crucial time of the pandemic, when unvaccinated patients continue to fill ICU wards.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/24/robert-malone-vaccine-misinformation-rogan-mandates/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/28/boosters-exacerbate-republican-democrat-vaccine-gap/

If you don't think that one of the most popular podcasters in the world and the most watched cable network in America is contributing to the prolonging of covid and the sickness and death of hundreds of thousands of America, then I don't know what to tell you. True, government might not have the right to censor this. But that doesn't meet that the rest of society should tolerate it. And I'm merely focusing on Covid. The rampant racism and sexism on Rogan's podcast also has detrimental effects on society.

This is what freedom without responsibility does:

Facebook admits it was used to 'incite offline violence' in Myanmar

Facebook says it is tackling problems highlighted in an independent report on its role in ethnic violence.

www.bbc.com

Here's what freedom without responsibility does:

Here’s How Instagram Harms Young Women According To Research

Researchers have been studying the effects of Instagram and social media on adolescent girls for years and have long had a clear understanding of its negative impact.

www.forbes.com

There needs to be balance here.

 

[The Thriller]

So glad you have an opinion then.

This seems to be the fashion lately. People who know nothing about guns want to argue in gun debates. People who don't have daughters in competitive sports, a solid grasp on performance biology, or the actual regulations think they have something to contribute to the controversy over biological males competing in divisions set up for women. People with next to no exposure to Black Americans have so much conviction in their opinions that they'll condemn the opinions of Black people if they don't match their own opinion. I don't even know where to begin on COVID, masks, lockdowns, etc.

I do applaud you for at least admitting your ignorance before continuing on with your opinion. I suppose that is what the internet is for but it does grate sometimes.

I have a wonderful dog who leaves little landmines in my backyard. I know it wouldn't be wise to eat any of those landmines. I don't have to eat it to know that. Same applies for consuming the vulgarity and crudeness of Rogan. You're lapping up dog excrement.

Again, I've already addressed people like you in this thread:

Rogan to me represents a stupid and decadent culture. People who find this entertaining should try reading a book sometime… or having an actual in-person relationship with a woman. Could be life changing... Isn't it sad that there's such a large audience for such filth? I don't get the draw other than bored middle class folks wanting to feel like they're still top jock in high school.

 

[One Brow]

People who don't have daughters in competitive sports, a solid grasp on performance biology, or the actual regulations think they have something to contribute to the controversy over biological males competing in divisions set up for women.

Unless you have a daughter in competitive sports, that sounds a lot like you. Of course, having a daughter in competitive sports still doesn't make you an expert in performance biology nor the sports regulations. That's why I trust the people who rely on expertise in both: the people who manage the sports leagues. Why don't you trust them to make regulations on which people are eligible to compete?

People with next to no exposure to Black Americans have so much conviction in their opinions that they'll condemn the opinions of Black people if they don't match their own opinion.

Did you have anyone particular in mind?

Personally, I think it's far more condemnatory to take an outlier opinion held by a tiny minority of black people, and use a black person holding that position to justify that position's integrity/authenticity, all in an attempt to avoid having to do the real work of fighting racism.

I don't even know where to begin on COVID, masks, lockdowns, etc.

You began a long time ago, and encountered a lot of failure along the way.

 

[candrew]

I've listened to a few hundred hours of Rogan's show - the thing I've enjoyed most is whenever he has a guest on his show I always felt like he you were getting his guest's unfiltered point of view. He wouldn't push a pre-conceived agenda (the present controversy notwithstanding), nothing was filtered down or pre-packaged into three minutes of sound-bytes immediately followed by a polar opposite point of view. I think he leaves it up to his listeners to detect the ********. And that might be part of the problem - some folks can't handle that or don't want a forum like that to exist.

I will say I don't listen to Rogan just for the sake of listening to him. I listen purely based on the guest or topic - I'll go weeks without listening if I'm not interested - this includes the anti-vax crowd that he seems to have fallen into today.

As far as him using the racial slurs - I would say he's definitely guilty of being insensitive at times but I don't think he's a racist. I could be wrong but that's my read based on my experience.

Regardless of all of this, I would be very, very wary of corporate media punching down on podcasters/alternative media. The reasons are obvious.

 

[The Thriller]

Regardless of all of this, I would be very, very wary of corporate media punching down on podcasters/alternative media. The reasons are obvious.

What reasons? Could you explain that better?

If Spotify refused to carry Rogan today due to his platform being used to spew dishonest information that has contributed to the sickness and death of thousands of Americans... What would the negative consequences be exactly?

If Facebook today decided to end the algorithm in their newsfeed which rewards hate and disinformation... What would the negative consequences be exactly?

What it seems some of you are advocating for is a libertarian laissez faire type media environment where anything goes. Where entertainers and social media platforms are merely exploited by the most outrageous, dishonest, and vile. The clicks will be incredible and algorithms will reward the most irresponsible content. That's not good. That will completely erode the very foundation of our society, as we've seen with how social media platforms and podcasts have eroded trust in vaccines much to the detriment of the health and well-being of our society.

Freedom also requires responsibility and accountability.

 

[One Brow]

I've listened to a few hundred hours of Rogan's show - the thing I've enjoyed most is whenever he has a guest on his show I always felt like he you were getting his guest's unfiltered point of view. He wouldn't push a pre-conceived agenda (the present controversy notwithstanding), nothing was filtered down or pre-packaged into three minutes of sound-bytes immediately followed by a polar opposite point of view. I think he leaves it up to his listeners to detect the ********. And that might be part of the problem - some folks can't handle that or don't want a forum like that to exist.

As an example, Rogan had Dr. Robert Malone on, and I heard in a clip from that where Malone went through his usual schtick of claiming far too much credit for his role in the creation of mRNA vaccines.
1) Does Rogan have any responsibility to let people know Malone is lying?
2) For the people that listen to and trust Rogan, does this mean that Malone gets to benefit from that trust? Should people spreading lies be allowed to trade on that trust?

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Why don't you trust them to make regulations on which people are eligible to compete?

I do trust them. USA Swimming, the governing organization and an organization for which I am a coach, came out and effectively banned biological males from competing against women if they went through puberty as a male because the ignorant nonsense you've been spouting for the last couple weeks is stupid. It appears that you are as uninformed on the new rules as you were on everything else in this controversy.

Unlike NCAA and Its Cowardly Approach, USA Swimming Demonstrated Leadership With New Transgender Policy

By adopting a new transgender policy that protects fairness for biological females, USA Swimming demonstrated guts and leadership.

www.swimmingworldmagazine.com

 

[The Thriller]

Could we please keep the trans sports talk in the appropriate thread? Thanks.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

What it seems some of you are advocating for is a libertarian laissez faire type media environment where anything goes. That's not good. Freedom also requires responsibility and accountability.

For as much as you and I seem to disagree we actually seem to be on the same page a lot of the time. For instance I really liked your earlier comment about consequences and a willingness to accept them. If Spotify aired unpalatable content then they earn whatever change in listenership and advertisement revenue stems from that decision. We 100% agree. I know that prior to this latest n-word controversey, Spotify's listeners, subscribers, and ad revenue went up even though their stock price went down. I do think the n-word viral attack is going to do some real damage and the results will be what the results will be. Up or down, the results will be earned. I agree with your statement.

It is that exact same logic to use for the democrats having earned the beating they are about to take in the 2022 election. They earned it. People are over the woke police. They are so over it that Rogan may even survive this when no other celebrity I can think of survived it. People are over it. It was a big kick in the teeth to the wokes when Netflix didn't cancel Dave Chappelle. It appears Spotify is about to deliver another one with Rogan, and that national mood is spelling trouble for the party of the wokes come election time. I completely agree with you that actions have deserved consequences and we could see some big ones come down later this year. We do agree after all.