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I think our first will be outgoing and this FO values it less than we might. I don’t think Gordon gives us the size or defense we need to give Royce less of a work load.

Like it or not, we are all in the next 2.5 years with our core. 2024 will allow us to blow everything up if that’s what fate deals us.
 
MT Steve said:
I kind of hope for it.

I think Paschall has had a far better impact for us, which was a pleasant surprise. It kind of sucked when Rudy Gay came in and took all his minutes.
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Competitively, I think Gay would help more in the playoffs. But if you can move him, Paschall is not that far behind him, so I'd do it. Don't forget, his contract is going to suck the year after next.
 
I probably don't need to spell this out, but I will anyway:

- Ryan seems to be willing to go in the luxury tax, but not way in to the tax.
- Based on this I assume he won't be willing to spend repeater tax money.
- We're currently on a trajectory to be in the repeater tax in the 2023-2024 season (I'm pretty sure on this).
- Gobert and Mitchell are locked up through the 2024-2025 season.
- Getting under the luxury tax this year or next year, only postpones the repeater tax by a year since it is based on being in the tax for 3 out of the last 4 years.
- Just a reminder that even if we dip below the luxury tax we still won't be able to sign anybody worth more than the MLE. So our best way to add players worth more than the MLE is to trade them for current contracts, which doesn't help us with the repeater tax issue we are coming up against.

This is probably all well known here, but just a reminder as we consider our options at the trade deadline.
 
LoPo said:
Yeah we were. The Hawks went 60-22 and made it to the Eastern Conference Finals. They had 4 All Stars.

We went 52-20 last year and didn't even make the conference finals. We had 3 All Stars and the 6th Man of the Year.
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The Hawks were a bunch of players on near equal footing in an extremely weak conference.

Mitchell/Gobert are both top 25 players and Gobert is All-NBA player.

The teams are not comparable.
 
Right now it strikes me that lot of teams view the draft as a mostly meaningless exercise. All you have to do is look at former first round picks on the waiver wire, playing in the GLeague or overseas. The old model was that second round picks were pure gold and now it seems that a lot of GMs view them as pretty worthless in that if they need a player of that quality go harvest the waiver wire or the GLeague.
 
homeytennis said:
Right now it strikes me that lot of teams view the draft as a mostly meaningless exercise. All you have to do is look at former first round picks on the waiver wire, playing in the GLeague or overseas. The old model was that second round picks were pure gold and now it seems that a lot of GMs view them as pretty worthless in that if they need a player of that quality go harvest the waiver wire or the GLeague.
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Many teams just don't want to play the developmental game. If you're the Lakers and your brand is your name, do you want to spend time and resources drafting hoping to find elite players or would you just rather woo them as free agents and deliver a championship in a fraction of the time?

Places like Utah are never going to have that type of pull - you have to draft with success and build a winning culture and you can potentially woo some decent core pieces to surround the guys you've maxed out.

And every once in a while, you luck out in a smaller market like Duncan with SA or Giannis with MIL.
 
I saw this quote about trading with Danny Ainge. It made me giggle: "“It’s less like you’re giving up rights to your first-born,” one opposing executive said. Another said Ainge had a tendency to try to “get blood from a stone and squeeze for ‘one more thing.'”
 
Avery said:
Many teams just don't want to play the developmental game. If you're the Lakers and your brand is your name, do you want to spend time and resources drafting hoping to find elite players or would you just rather woo them as free agents and deliver a championship in a fraction of the time?

Places like Utah are never going to have that type of pull - you have to draft with success and build a winning culture and you can potentially woo some decent core pieces to surround the guys you've maxed out.

And every once in a while, you luck out in a smaller market like Duncan with SA or Giannis with MIL.
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A lot of teams have also sucked at development or drafting so they sell off the picks more known resources. I think picks are still really valuable.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
A lot of teams have also sucked at development or drafting so they sell off the picks more known resources. I think picks are still really valuable.
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For sure. Memphis is a good example of this - their core is entirely homegrown and they are going to experience some issues when these guys get off of rookie deals and there's not enough change to go around, but they'll probably leverage those assets for capital if they can.
 
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